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mrmarket
11-06-2010, 09:54 AM
The Sino-Indian War, was a war between China and India that occurred in 1962. A disputed Himalayan border was the main pretext for war, but other issues played a role. There had been a series of violent border incidents after the 1959 Tibetan uprising, when India had granted asylum to the Dalai Lama. The war ended when the Chinese declared a ceasefire on 20 November 1962, and simultaneously announced its withdrawal from the disputed area.

The war might not be over. Got a question about your bank statement? You call an 800 number and you get “Sammi” on the phone. Well Sammi tries really hard to sound like an American. He asks you “how about these Bears” and that if you saw them “keek touchdown yay”. You start to wonder where Sammi actually resides. Most likely he’s in India. But China’s not going to let that happen much longer.

Statistically, the United States graduates roughly 70,000 undergraduate engineers annually. China graduates 600,000 and India 350,000. What we can’t do, India can do. What India can do, China can do better. VanceInfo (VIT) is just the company for us HUGE outsourcing fans.

Yesterday I bought VIT at 37.57. I will sell it in 4 – 6 weeks at 43.46. Here’s why I like VIT:

http://chart.finance.yahoo.com/z?s=VIT&t=1y&q=&l=&z=l&p=s&a=v&p=s&lang=en-US&region=US

Well..that’s a heck of a chart, isn’t it? Look at its climb from the middle of July. Most charts like this keep going for at least a couple more months. They have a PE of 61 and the big hurdle ahead is the earnings announcement coming up on November 17th but the way these numbers have been coming in for similar companies recently, this should not be anything to fear. Earnings will most likely catapult the stock price higher.

Vance found its humble start when it was actually selected by to recode its OS2 operating system into Chinese. Once they successfully completed that, VIT was hungry for new assignments. Vance today does work for IBM, Microsoft and a host of other multinational corporations. Now they are a front to back software solutions company.

Want to know how good Vance is? There is a California systems company named TIBCO, that is run by an India-born chief executive, who nuked an Indian outsource company in favor of Vance. That’s loyalty for you.

There is an American trend now to diversify out of Indian outsourcing and China has been ready to pick up the slack. A lot of multinational corporations already have tentacles in the Chinese market anyway – or they already operate in China. Vance can sell to these companies without even leaving home!

So while China continues to quietly buy up our country (of the $2.1 Trillion of US debt held by foreign countries, a little less than one-fifth is held by China), they might as well have our jobs too. What makes China most interesting as an outsourcing destination is the cost. China is cheaper than India. An engineer who makes $100,000 a year in the US makes about $6,000 to 12,000 a year in China. If they are just as good too, then there’s not much of a decision is there? The initial Indian outsourcing boom has driven up these salaries in India, making them more expensive to outsourcing customers. Chinese universities can keep pumping out engineers as long as there is demand for them.

VIT has been seen in the employment space gobbling up these engineers, which means that they have work for them to do which means that they are growing their revenues which means that their earnings will grow. Believe it or not even domestic Chinese companies are using outsourcing. Wow..what a great concept. Outsource your work to people in your own country. VanceInfo does IT work for the big Chinese banks and infrastructure companies.

In August 2010, VanceInfo was selected to the 2010 Global Services "Top 10 Outsourced Product Development Vendors" list. This marks the first time a Chinese vendor has been selected by Global Services to be among the world's leading vendors of software research and development services. The "Top Outsourced Product Development Vendors" category is a subset of the overall Global Services 100 list that represents companies that serve mature global customers through advanced global delivery models, have a broad portfolio of service offerings or niche leadership, and have demonstrated business excellence.

Now the beauty of VIT is that it is still small. While the gargantuan Indian outsourcing companies have revenue in the billions, VIT had only only $148 million in 2009 sales. However this makes growth opportunities so much more simplified. In 2009, VanceInfo's domestic China business grew more than 100% from 2008. It generated 40% of its 2009 sales from Chinese companies. Thirty-eight percent came from the U.S. and 15% from Europe. So they are making a lot of their money from “insourcing” ha ha ha $$$MR. MARKET$$$ just invented a new word.

So do they make money?

Second Quarter 2010 Financial and Operating Highlights:
n Net revenues in the second quarter of 2010 increased to $51.8 million, up 49.8 % from $34.6 million in the second quarter of 2009.
n Operating income in the second quarter of 2010 was $8.3 million, up 54.3% from $5.4 million in the second quarter of 2009.
n Non-GAAP diluted EPS was $0.20 in the second quarter, up from $0.14 in the second quarter of 2009.

The company's Q2 results showed a 43% rise in profit and a 50% gain in sales. Sales growth has actually increased from 44% to 47% to the now insane level of 50%. EPS growth has, of course, moved along with it. This company is a juggernaut. (Has anyone actually ever seen a juggernaut? Just sayin).

The company has given us lots of guidance. Let me tell you something, when a company has a P/E of 61 and still has the balls to give guidance, you know they are going to blow these numbers out of the water. Otherwise their stock price would get massacred if they miss. VIT has given Outlook for the Third Quarter and Full Year 2010:

-- Third quarter 2010 net revenues to be between $53.5 million and $54.5 million, representing a 33% to 36% increase from the corresponding period in 2009.

-- Third quarter 2010 diluted EPS to be between $0.15 and $0.16 on a GAAP basis, and non-GAAP diluted EPS(1) to be between $0.18 and $0.19.

Full year guidance as follows:

-- 2010 net revenues to be at least $207 million, representing a 40% increase from 2009.

-- 2010 diluted EPS to be between $0.66 and $0.70 on a GAAP basis, and between $0.77 and $0.81 on a non-GAAP basis.

I have no idea how they possibly could be saying this with a straight face. Even the ANAL-ysts don’t believe them. ANALysts see full-year earnings rising 50% to 78 cents a share. They expect a 24% gain in 2011.

Doesn’t anyone know how to brag anymore? When I play blackjack in the high roller section and my chips start to pile up, I yell out: “Can’t LOSE! CAN’T LOSE!! I am HUGE!”. Meanwhile my Asian friends next to me in the casino are winning more than me but they don’t say anything. Maybe it’s a cultural thing? Maybe they just don’t like hearing me yell?

Anyway, $$$MR. MARKET$$$ knows that VIT is going to put up revenues of $220 million (oh by the way the dollar is crashing as QE2 prints more money..so this number can even go higher) which will generate earnings of $0.95/share. That takes your share price to $57.95 if they can sustain the PE of 61. As long as sales keep growing at this pace, that PE is going to stay up there.

Here’s what the boss had to say about their revenue growth:

"We are very pleased with our revenue growth and business momentum in the second quarter," said Chris Chen, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of VanceInfo. "The outstanding results were driven by our effective execution and increasing demand for our services across markets. We are also starting to gain traction in new business areas with a more diversified client base. While we remain alert about the uncertain global economic dynamics, we are confident of our ability to continue deliver strong business performance and drive shareholders' returns in the second half of 2010."

How you can not like this man? He is MY MAN. Can’t wait to collect my profits on VIT.

I am HUGE!!

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billyjoe
11-06-2010, 03:24 PM
Mr.Market,
The VIT writeup is the greatest as usual. Nice to see that you don't descriminate by size, color, or national origin. You'll take $$ from anyone that hands it to you. Just remember to get 1 dollar for each 6.65663 yuans VIT makes you.

-------------billy

Eric
11-06-2010, 08:13 PM
Incredible write-up as usual, MM, and always entertaining. This company is a juggernaut. (Has anyone actually ever seen a juggernaut? Just sayin). Hehe.

I'm already a little ahead of the game but I may decide to stick it out until you hit your mark.

steelman
11-07-2010, 11:16 PM
I am in. Great Pick $$$MM$$$!

jiesen
11-08-2010, 09:46 AM
At 37.5... great pick, $$MM! VIT is going to be HUGE!!!

mrmarket
11-09-2010, 09:41 AM
http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/inside-outsourcing/2010/09/chinese-it-services-providers-can-be-a-gateway-to-chinese-economy-for-big-business.html

Evan
11-17-2010, 07:47 PM
Hi guys, I'm new to the forum, and still relatively new to investing in general. I just turned 24 and have been investing since June. Recently I have been making the transition from ETFs to individual stocks for the greater profit potential they offer. So far I am 3-and-1 in my picks, with one of my winners being DECK, which I identified from my own analysis before I had even found this forum (I haven't sold it yet, though, unlike MM). I took my first loss today when I was stopped out of my long position in SOLR.

Anyway, I have a few questions. (From perusing the forum and reading all your posts it seems everyone else here is fairly seasoned at this, so I know I risk sounding dumb here, but please take it easy on me as I'm just trying to get better.)

Looking at MM's track record I've decided to give one of his picks a shot. I bought VIT today at 35.11, under the logic that if it was a good buy at 37.50, it was an even better buy at that price. I put in a stop-loss at 32.88, a little below the 50-day MA.

Now, VIT dropped about 8% since MM recommended it, but I attribute that to the broader market pullback over the last several sessions, not to any weakness in the stock itself. Still, I see a very clear trendline when connecting the lows on 8/19, 10/8, and 11/10. VIT broke below that trendline for the first time in the recent bearishness, and, perhaps more tellingly, today's rally failed precisely at that trendline.

So here are my questios:
1) Do you guys use technical analysis to a great degree in determining what stocks to buy and entry/exit points?

2) If so, do you think the trendline action I mentioned should be heeded? Would it cause you to take a more cautionary stance on VIT?

3) How do you determine where to place your stop-loss orders?

By the way, I hope this isn't construed as me trying to challenge the stock-picking acumen of a Beast like MM (I bought a fairly large position in his recommendation, after all), I'm just airing some of my concerns, in the hopes that the responses from some of you more experienced fellows can help me learn.

Thanks

mrmarket
11-17-2010, 08:11 PM
Hi guys, I'm new to the forum, and still relatively new to investing in general. I just turned 24 and have been investing since June. Recently I have been making the transition from ETFs to individual stocks for the greater profit potential they offer. So far I am 3-and-1 in my picks, with one of my winners being DECK, which I identified from my own analysis before I had even found this forum (I haven't sold it yet, though, unlike MM). I took my first loss today when I was stopped out of my long position in SOLR.

Anyway, I have a few questions. (From perusing the forum and reading all your posts it seems everyone else here is fairly seasoned at this, so I know I risk sounding dumb here, but please take it easy on me as I'm just trying to get better.)

Looking at MM's track record I've decided to give one of his picks a shot. I bought VIT today at 35.11, under the logic that if it was a good buy at 37.50, it was an even better buy at that price. I put in a stop-loss at 32.88, a little below the 50-day MA.

Now, VIT dropped about 8% since MM recommended it, but I attribute that to the broader market pullback over the last several sessions, not to any weakness in the stock itself. Still, I see a very clear trendline when connecting the lows on 8/19, 10/8, and 11/10. VIT broke below that trendline for the first time in the recent bearishness, and, perhaps more tellingly, today's rally failed precisely at that trendline.

So here are my questios:
1) Do you guys use technical analysis to a great degree in determining what stocks to buy and entry/exit points?

2) If so, do you think the trendline action I mentioned should be heeded? Would it cause you to take a more cautionary stance on VIT?

3) How do you determine where to place your stop-loss orders?

By the way, I hope this isn't construed as me trying to challenge the stock-picking acumen of a Beast like MM (I bought a fairly large position in his recommendation, after all), I'm just airing some of my concerns, in the hopes that the responses from some of you more experienced fellows can help me learn.

Thanks

Others may answer you differently, but I will respond from my perspective:

1. I do not use technical analysis.
2. I do not use stop losses. I keep my portfolio diversified so it doesn't bother me if any one stock takes a big hit. I will (and I have in the past) sell a loser if something fundamentally different occurs in the company or the market it serves.
3. I don't make recommendations. I never have..never will. I generously share my picks on this free forum.

Good luck.

Deaddog
11-17-2010, 08:27 PM
You can make TA come up with different scenarios depending on you bias.

If you connect the May low with the Aug low you end up at today’s low.

I look at today’s bar/candlestick as being a sign of strength. Didn’t close below the 50ma.

Double normal volume but traded off the lows to me means that there are buyers at this price. It’s the pros trading this kind of volume not us little guys. Sign of accumulation.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see it trade down and test todays lows but watch the volume. It should be much lighter.

Set your stop where you are comfortable with that loss. Everyones style of trading is different. If you find something that makes money just do it!!

Evan
11-18-2010, 01:58 AM
You are right about the May-Aug-today trendline. I will now take both into account. I did notice the unusual volume today as well, close to TRIPLE the average. This should be interesting to watch in the coming weeks.

steelman
11-18-2010, 12:34 PM
Evan,
Welcome to the forum. There is NO doubt that $$$MM's$$$ picks are dead on especially with his Quantitative momentum modeling. Earnings are king. Fundamental Analysis should help you choose great companies. Personally I do use Technical Analysis for my entries and exits. There are some great chart readers here that go do a thorough TA. I am simple. I use full stochstics, MACDH and 30 day MA.

It sucks that the majority of stocks will follow the trend. Take VIT for example. A great company that took a hit this past week when the overall markets corrected. I don't sweat those dips because I am confident in the stock. I don't use stop losses but I do keep a very close eye if the stock dips below its 30 day MA by 3% because it may bounce. If not, I will sell.

I mostly trade options now, so I exit when I have made a comfortable gain :D It' a whole different strategy. Just make sure you define your own strategy, rules for exits and rules for managing your portfolio and investment amounts per trade. Good luck and as $$$MM$$$ once put it, this is like crack.

Evan
11-18-2010, 02:09 PM
steelman, thanks for the welcome.

BTW, I think I read another of your posts somewhere on this forum where you said you use Investools. Am I remembering correctly? The reason I ask is because I'm using Investools as well. It's very handy for quick Fundamental Analysis, and the arrows are helpful as well. Curious: Do you use the default settings for the MA, Stochastics, and MACD?

steelman
11-18-2010, 04:32 PM
You are correct. I do use Investools. I am a student of theirs too. I am currently taking their basic options class.

I really like Investools because of all the different pre-built search criteria they offer. I do use the default settings for MACDH, Stochastics. Since I found $$$Mr. Market$$$ and his forum and Investools, which has been about a year or so, my portfolio is up 300%. There are some great minds here. One of my favorite features is the projected price. I will put it this way, I am batting a 1000 when I buy with 3 green arrows, F/E score of 3.25 or more and projected price is at least double the current price per share.

mjrichmo
02-23-2011, 02:34 PM
Earnings coming out the 28th....do we think it will pull this stock out of the coffers?

mjrichmo
03-11-2011, 11:14 AM
Ouch. Thats gonna hurt

smaskell
03-14-2011, 09:52 AM
Ouch. Thats gonna hurt

Man, down 25% from MrM entry. VIT hasn't been here since Sept. I feel your pain (TQNT). I have some cash I might drop on this guy though if it can ever find a solid bottom. Here's hoping for sooner rather than later.

mrmarket
04-12-2011, 07:34 AM
When in doubt, buy the competition:


Press Release Source: VanceInfo Technologies Inc. On Tuesday April 12, 2011, 5:50 am EDT
BEIJING, April 12, 2011 /PRNewswire-Asia/ -- VanceInfo Technologies Inc. (NYSE:VIT (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=vit) - News (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=vit)) ("VanceInfo" or the "Company"), an IT service provider and one of the leading offshore software development companies in China, today announced that it has acquired 100% equity interest in the main operating subsidiaries of LW International Holdings Limited ("Lifewood"), a China-based company providing business process outsourcing ("BPO") services. Under the terms of the acquisition agreement, VanceInfo will pay an initial consideration of $5.6 million in cash and stock, with contingent consideration to be paid based on Lifewood's financial performance over the next three years.
Established in 2004, Lifewood provides primarily data processing services to clients in the United States, Europe and Asia Pacific. Its key industry verticals include publishing, healthcare and financial services. The acquisition marks VanceInfo's strategic expansion into the BPO business, an early stage growth sector with increasing synergies to the IT outsourcing sector.
"Lifewood is a highly process oriented BPO service provider with a well-developed system platform and customer centric service culture," commented Chris Chen, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of VanceInfo. "It invested heavily over the past few years and has built a solid foundation for us to move aggressively into this high-growth business that is complementary to VanceInfo's service offerings. We believe this strategic alliance will create synergies for both and allow VanceInfo to serve a broader range of international customers with combined offerings."
"We are very excited to join the VanceInfo family," said Ronald Cheung, Chief Executive Officer of Lifewood. "Leveraging VanceInfo's platform and Lifewood's BPO capabilities, we hope to quickly bring this young business to the next level and become a market leader in China-based BPO services in the future."
Lifewood generated approximately $4.5 million in net revenues in 2010. The transaction is expected to be slightly accretive to VanceInfo's 2011 earnings.
About VanceInfo
VanceInfo Technologies Inc. is an IT service provider and one of the leading offshore software development companies in China. VanceInfo was the first China software development outsourcer listed on the New York Stock Exchange.
The Company ranked number one among Chinese offshore software development service providers for the North American and European markets as measured by 2009 revenues, according to International Data Corporation.
VanceInfo's comprehensive range of IT services includes research & development services, enterprise solutions, application development & maintenance, quality assurance & testing, globalization & localization and other solutions and services. VanceInfo provides these services primarily to corporations headquartered in the United States, Europe, Japan and Greater China, targeting high-growth industries such as technology, telecommunications, financial services, travel services, manufacturing, retail and distribution.

Eric
05-19-2011, 07:47 PM
um... lulz?

mannyp
05-24-2011, 12:13 PM
Looks like we bought at a peak and now it is down quite a bit. Do we see VIT going into the low teens or back into the $30+ range over time?

mrmarket
05-24-2011, 03:32 PM
Looks like we bought at a peak and now it is down quite a bit. Do we see VIT going into the low teens or back into the $30+ range over time?

I'm holding til it reaches my target.

Deaddog
05-24-2011, 04:41 PM
I'm holding til it reaches my target.

All you need is just a little under a 100% gain and you'll be there.

mrmarket
05-24-2011, 08:54 PM
All you need is just a little under a 100% gain and you'll be there.

I've done it before.

smaskell
05-25-2011, 01:57 AM
All you need is just a little under a 100% gain and you'll be there.

I've been tempted several times to buy into VIT but it just keeps dropping. Even at today's close its current P/E is still over 26 (21.92/.83). Still pretty high for the 'software & programming' sector. That makes me reticent until the price drops (or earnings grow) and the P/E is closer to 20.

smaskell
05-27-2011, 09:58 AM
VIT was dragged down this week when Longtop Financial announced it was being probed by the SEC (sounds painful) over the resignation of its CFO and Deloitte auditor. It appears market confidence in the validity of financial numbers for any Chinese IT firm is evaporating. Will VIT suffer the same fate or are they the single honest company in that sector?

buckhunter
05-27-2011, 12:12 PM
For all of you still holding onto VIT, you should see your 15% profit soon since I just bailed out. Like $$MM$$ always tells us, it's our money and we need our own buy/sell strategies. The market seems to be treating all Chinese stocks like they're another Enron. I think I'll put my money to use elsewhere.

Best of luck to all of you VIT holders.....

Chips
05-27-2011, 04:24 PM
For all of you still holding onto VIT, you should see your 15% profit soon since I just bailed out. Like $$MM$$ always tells us, it's our money and we need our own buy/sell strategies. The market seems to be treating all Chinese stocks like they're another Enron. I think I'll put my money to use elsewhere.

Best of luck to all of you VIT holders.....

You had more patience than me. I couldn't wait this long. I bailed on VIT a while back after loosing 10% and I've been thinking very hard about doing the same with NTES. The market seems to be pretty hard on Chinese stocks lately. Maybe if I bail, that will move it up for everyone else. Only time will tell for sure.

Deaddog
08-16-2011, 12:54 PM
On Tuesday August 16, 2011, 9:45 am EDT
NEW YORK (AP) -- VanceInfo Technologies' second-quarter net income slipped due to higher expenses, the Beijing software developer said Tuesday, and shares slumped 27 percent on an outlook that left Wall Street's disappointed.:mad::mad:

smaskell
08-17-2011, 12:44 AM
On Tuesday August 16, 2011, 9:45 am EDT
NEW YORK (AP) -- VanceInfo Technologies' second-quarter net income slipped due to higher expenses, the Beijing software developer said Tuesday, and shares slumped 27 percent on an outlook that left Wall Street's disappointed.:mad::mad:

PE is now in the 16 range. A couple more days of fallout and I might be looking at a buy. If it was good at 37...

Deaddog
09-20-2011, 11:20 PM
Equities research analysts at BMO Capital Markets lowered their price target on shares of VanceInfo Technologies (NYSE: VIT) from $15.00 to $12.00 in a research issued note to investors on Tuesday. They currently have a “market perform” rating on the company’s shares.

Separately, analysts at Zacks Investment Research reiterated a “neutral” rating on shares of VanceInfo Technologies in a research note to investors on Thursday, September 15th. Analysts at Kaufman Brothers cut their price target on shares of VanceInfo Technologies to $20.00 in a research note to investors on Wednesday, August 17th. Also, analysts at Kaufman Brothers upgraded shares of VanceInfo Technologies from a “hold” rating to a “buy” rating in a research note to investors on Monday, August 15th. They now have a $25.00 price target on the stock.

http://localizedusa.com/2011/09/20/vanceinfo-technologies-vit-share-price-target-cut-to-12-00-by-analysts-at-bmo-capital-markets/

If the low holds it just might be time to buy!!!

be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful.....Warren Buffet

billyjoe
09-21-2011, 12:04 AM
Vectorvest values VIT at 11.85 today. It has good earnings and excellent sales growth but the timing is terrible. They also rate it as undervalued.

-----------billy

Deaddog
09-21-2011, 05:52 PM
Doesn't look like support held. On the positive side not much volume.
Lets see if it recovers a little tomorrow.

Skrumpa
10-13-2011, 09:55 AM
I took a small position in VIT today at $9.47 on the long side

I will add more shares as the stock goes up.

Using a mental stop around $8.80

Skrumpa
10-13-2011, 10:26 AM
Current Short Float = 24.41%

Stock price just hit $10.22 shorts are covering

Day traders buying for a quick pop........... nice volume

Deaddog
11-15-2011, 02:38 PM
Stock is up 20% as I post this/ Who says the markets aren't effecient.:D


Nov 15 2011:
NEW YORK (AP) — Chinese information technology services provider VanceInfo Technologies Inc. said Tuesday that its third-quarter net income declined 59 percent due to higher expenses, and its earnings outlook for the current quarter fell short of analyst expectations.
Shares fell $1.12, or 12.6 percent, to $7.75 in premarket trading.
The company said it earned $3.2 million, or 7 cents per share, in the July to September period, down from $7.7 million, or 18 cents per share, in the same period a year earlier.
Adjusted earnings were 14 cents per share in the latest quarter.
Revenue rose 26 percent to $70.3 million from $55.9 million.
Analysts, on average, were expecting earnings of 20 cents per share on revenue of $70.9 million, according to a poll by FactSet.
The company's third-quarter results included $2.4 million of expenses related to the company's expansion into the financial services business. Its selling, general and administrative expenses grew 68 percent to $22.2 million.
For the fourth quarter, VanceInfo expects adjusted earnings of 19 cents to 21 cents per share and revenue of at least $84 million. Analysts were expecting earnings of 25 cents per share on revenue of $77.5 million.

Larry
01-24-2012, 07:46 AM
VIT was starting to make a come back. I was thinking about hopping onboard the VIT train, but now its seems to be pulling back. Maybe its a buying opportunity???????. I going to keep watching.

mrmarket
01-24-2012, 10:37 AM
VIT was starting to make a come back. I was thinking about hopping onboard the VIT train, but now its seems to be pulling back. Maybe its a buying opportunity???????. I going to keep watching.

I still own it.

Deaddog
01-24-2012, 11:14 AM
VIT is on my bottom fishing watch list.
It has broken the downtrend started in May last year but has a ton of overhead resistance.
A falling 200day ma is just above and may offer resistance.
On the positive side; there has been a series of higher lows since Oct. Unfortunately not accompanied by a series of higher highs so it’s not really an uptrend.

The ma’s are starting to turn up, that’s a good sign.
Right now I think I’ll wait and see what happens.
I might take a small position with a tight stop if it comes back to the trend line drawn across the swing lows around 10 bucks. We have lots of time. It has to go up over 200% to get to Mr Markets target.