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mrmarket
12-04-2003, 03:46 PM
Now on the street tonight the lights grow dim
The walls of my room are closing in
There's a war outside still raging
you say it ain't ours anymore to win
I want to sleep beneath peaceful skies in my lover's bed
with a wide open country in my eyes
and these romantic dreams in my head

There’s something about that wide open country thought that makes me think expansively. Actually it makes me eat until my stomach grows expansively. My ass is getting as wide as Tennessee…actually it’s getting Countrywide.

Today I bought CFC (Countrywide Financial Corp) at 106.88. I will sell it in 4 to 6 weeks at 123.84. Here’s why I like CFC:

Countrywide provides mortgage banking and diversified financial services in domestic and international markets. Mortgage banking businesses include loan production and servicing principally through Countrywide Home Loans, Inc., which originates, purchases, securitizes, sells, and services primarily prime- quality loans.

CFC is up 120% in the last 12 months yet its P/E is a microscopic 7.1, A very safe play says $$$MR. MARKET$$$.

Now everyone out in TV land is saying that $$$MR. MARKET$$$ must be on crack cocaine. Why would anyone want to buy stock in a mortgage company when it is obvious that interest rates have begun their climb? I’m not going to hold CFC forever, only til it reaches my target. So here’s my plan. What are people going to be doing for the next 3 weeks? Yep..shopping. And how are they going to pay for all of their gifts? Yep..credit cards. And how are they going to pay off their credit cards next month when they get their Visa bills??? Rutro,,,,

Correctamundo….We will see a wave of home equity loans in February when people have to pay off their Christmas bills. The last vestiges of refinance holdouts, presumably the financially incompetent, will dive into cheaper money to rid themselves of their Mastercard and Discover misery.

Remember, the 30-year fixed mortgage rate is still among the lowest in 40 years. Much better than paying 19% on your credit card.

And many homeowners may rush to purchase or refinance as they see rates rising, giving another boost to the sector. $$$MR. MARKET$$$ continues to believe that if rates are going up, it's because the economy is getting better. That's a better situation than having lower rates. I'll take 8% rates with a strong economy instead of 5% in a bad economy any day. People buy more houses in a strong economy and the home sales need to be financed. Don't expect housing to collapse when rates do climb.. Historically low rates may be a big reason for continued strength in the sector, but in recent years housing has also been buoyed by poor investment alternatives, tight home supply, and changing demographics. The sector has had a history of boom and bust cycles but it doesn't look poised for a bust anytime soon. Sales of new and existing homes remain at near-record highs. There is no bubble.

CFC has capitalized on this environment big time:
• 2003 Earnings Guidance Revised Upward To $16 - $18 Per Diluted Share
• 2004 Outlook Provided, With Earnings Per Diluted Share Expected To Be $12 - $16
• Board Increases Cash Dividend To $0.20 Per Share And Announces 4-For-3 Stock Split
Highlights from the last earnings report:
• Earnings per diluted share for the third quarter reached a new record of $7.70, an increase of 181 percent over the prior record established last quarter, a gain of 343 percent over the third quarter of 2002, and 19 percent higher than EPS for the 2002 full calendar year.
• Return on average equity was 63 percent for the third quarter, up from 19 percent for the third quarter of 2002.
• Earnings from Diversified Businesses totaled $648 million year-to-date, surpassing the $373 million earned for all of 2002 by 73 percent.
"To summarize, the third quarter benefited from record mortgage banking and diversification earnings, as well as net impairment recovery that equated to $1 per diluted share," Mozilo concluded. "While this quarterly level of profitability is unlikely to recur in the near future, the outlook for the Company is strong, as indicated by the earnings guidance we are providing. Management believes the Company will report earnings within a range of $16 to $18 per diluted share for calendar 2003, contemplating a range of 10-year Treasury rates of 4.0 to 4.5 percent for the remainder of the year."

The boss is pretty confident. Why shouldn’t he be? Today’s interest rates are almost exactly the same as what they were a year ago, but CFC has pumped in some big numbers and has seen their stock price more than double. I’ll take that again next year. Home purchases will be relatively stable. Refinancings will eventually plummet, but total mortgage debt outstanding will continue to go up. People still buy homes, just at a lesser pace than now.

Management also believes earnings per diluted share for 2004 will range from $12 to $16. Key assumptions in the 2004 forecast are as follows:
• Ten-year Treasury rates of 4 to 6 percent.
• Origination market of $1.4 to $2.4 trillion.
• Countrywide origination market share of 13 to 15 percent, implying Company origination volume of $182 to $360 billion.
These are all reasonable economic assumptions. Furthermore, October was still a red hot month for new home sales. CFC is going to blow away 4Q earnings estimates of $3.80/share. $$$MR. MARKET$$$ sees them carding $5.60/share to make 2003 earnings a whopping $18.48/share. Wall Street will have a hard time keeping their P/E below 7, especially if the homebuilders continue to smash their numbers. 7 x 18.48 is a stock price of 129.36/share which is well past my target. Even if CFC only does the low end of their estimates, a PE of 10 sends their stock price to 120. Don’t forget they can also raise their dividend with all of the cash that comes piling in.

In addition, the Board declared a 4-for-3 stock split to be effected as a stock dividend payable on December 17, 2003 to stockholders of record on December 2, 2003. Bullish bullish bullish…Did you ever think that a 4 billion dollar company could double its sales in one year?? Insane?!!

In addition to excellent loan production, CFC has posted strong gains in its insurance, capital markets, global and banking businesses in recent quarters. CFC's efforts to diversify its earnings base will serve it well as it navigates the ebbs and flows of the cyclical mortgage business. Diversified Businesses include the operations of Capital Markets, Banking, Insurance and Global, and accounted for 15 percent of consolidated pre-tax earnings for the third quarter of 2003. Diversified earnings in aggregate grew 146 percent in the third quarter on a year-over-year basis. These are the quality earnings which are going to help CFC grow even when the Goldilocks refinance environment recedes. CFC has undertaken a diversification initiative to reduce earnings cyclically, as mortgages provide a declining share of consolidated earnings. It plans to leverage its mortgage platform to develop its other businesses. "Our base business - home mortgage lending - has grown steadily for decades," said Stanford Kurland, chief operating officer of Countrywide. "What is cyclical is refinancing. Diversification smooths out our revenue. And diversification not only takes the form of businesses we have started, but product diversification as well. We've added or expanded to our core competencies with products like home equity lines of credit and our entry into subprime lending."

Countrywide's Insurance segment includes Balboa Life and Casualty Group, whose companies are national providers of property, life and liability insurance (yo Adrian!).

It really doesn’t make sense to quote the amazing financial windfall that CFC landed in 2003. No sane person, including their boss expects it to continue. "Business will shrink, no question about it," said Chief Executive Angelo Mozilo. "There was a tremendous boom in originations because of the historically low interest rates." (Do you think Angie Mo got teased when he was a kid?) The good news is that Wall Street has this priced in already with the ridiculously low P/E ratio of 7.1. Any surprises can realistically only be on the upside.

CFC is not sitting on their hands either, as they continue to take market share away from their competitors without even cutting into their margins. An expanded sales force played a big role in building share, Mozilo says. Countrywide's tech prowess also helped. Its technology lets the company make loans quickly and efficiently, and its online loan system is a big plus with brokers. But Mozilo has said he wants to get to 30% of the U.S. market. That would put the firm's share at around $2.5 trillion.

Big Mo cannot be stopped. He will crush everything in his path. He is making so much money, his ass is getting fat. It’s getting as big as Tennessee. It’s getting Countrywide.

jiesen
12-04-2003, 03:58 PM
at 107. Just in time!

Looks like a winner to me.

carribean_mike
12-04-2003, 04:28 PM
HOV is a bridesmaid for at least the third time. What's up?

mrmarket
12-04-2003, 04:32 PM
HOV is a bridesmaid for at least the third time. What's up?

Ask the Buffalo Bills.

vish
12-04-2003, 04:46 PM
Now on the street tonight the lights grow dim

And how are they going to pay off their credit cards next month when they get their Visa bills??? Rutro,,,,

Correctamundo….We will see a wave of home equity loans in February when people have to pay off their Christmas bills. The last vestiges of refinance holdouts, presumably the financially incompetent, will dive into cheaper money to rid themselves of their Mastercard and Discover misery.



Maybe I should take out a home equity loan to invest in Mr. Market's stock picks (and pay off those x-mas bills) Laugh.

Vish

jiesen
12-04-2003, 05:04 PM
Maybe I should take out a home equity loan to invest in Mr. Market's stock picks (and pay off those x-mas bills) Laugh.


If you do, make sure you use Countrywide!

casinoboy3
12-04-2003, 09:45 PM
Mr. Market, got this stock too today shortly after you posted it. Well all my money is invested now, so don't pick anymore until I can sell one. DHI is close to its 15, and so was URBN until it dropped the passed few days including 6% today. Strange. CCBI looks like it might be going up now though.

Thanks!!! I wouldn't be buying any stock had I not been directed to this website!

mimo_100
12-05-2003, 08:17 AM
CFC was my choice too. I agree this will be a winner.

I am still a couple of weeks behind you, though, as I picked up
some URBN yesterday at a nice price.

MM is the hugest

Rachel
12-05-2003, 10:57 AM
I think he still owns dhi. Therefore, doesn't make a lot of sense to add hov. They are both builders and tend track each other.

Rach

Dave
12-08-2003, 01:51 PM
This sector has a number of great companies that are thriving right now. NFI, NCEN, CFC, LEND, all looking good right now. I would really like to see CFC split at this point though...


-Dave

don1_1997
12-09-2003, 11:09 AM
Washington Mutual statements are affecting the entire mortgage lenders group today. Wash Mut 4th Qtr loans are half of the 3rd and pulling CFC down also.

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/markets/marketfeatures/10130825.html

Don

casinoboy3
12-09-2003, 05:47 PM
In addition, the Board declared a 4-for-3 stock split to be effected as a stock dividend payable on December 17, 2003 to stockholders of record on December 2, 2003.

What exactly does this mean if the stock was purchased on December 4th? If a hundred shares were bought at $100, does it then become 133.333 shares at $75 after December 17th?

vish
12-09-2003, 08:28 PM
[quote]What exactly does this mean if the stock was purchased on December 4th? If a hundred shares were bought at $100, does it then become 133.333 shares at $75 after December 17th?

Casinoboy3,

You are correct (almost). You would get 133 shares if you had 100 shares previously. For the extra 0.333 shares, you would get cash instead. It's a 4 for 3 stock split. The cash value of all of it is the same before and after the split.

Vish

casinoboy3
12-09-2003, 09:15 PM
[quote]What exactly does this mean if the stock was purchased on December 4th? If a hundred shares were bought at $100, does it then become 133.333 shares at $75 after December 17th?

Casinoboy3,

You are correct (almost). You would get 133 shares if you had 100 shares previously. For the extra 0.333 shares, you would get cash instead. It's a 4 for 3 stock split. The cash value of all of it is the same before and after the split.

Vish

Great- thanks for the reply. Is this affected at all by the fact that I purchased it after the date mentioned of Dec 2nd? (I purchased Dec 4th) And for the cash they would give me for the .33333 shares, does that just automatically get put back into the cash portion of my brokerage account at the time of the split?
Again, thanks for all the help, I've learned so much in the past month reading posts on these boards.

vish
12-09-2003, 09:40 PM
Casinoboy3,

No, it doesn't matter that you bought after Dec 2nd. Many times a stock is purchased between the record date and the payment date. Keep in mind one very important thing. You will always get what you pay for. You never get more than you deserve and you never get less than you deserve. Two things may happen. First, and the more likely event, is that you will pay the pre-split price and when the payment date comes you will be credited with the additional shares. Second, sometimes the stock will trade on a when-issued basis. If this happens there are two classes of stock that trade. One class is traded with the split and one is traded without the split. The investor has to specify which series he wants. Essentially, one series is split adjusted and one is not.

With CFC, I don't see any stock trading on a when-issued basis. Thus if you own 100 shares, you'll get 133 shares and that same day as the split you'll get cash in place of the 0.33333 shares (automatically credited to your brokerage account)

Vish

casinoboy3
12-09-2003, 10:04 PM
Thanks- I get it now. That Dec 2nd date had me confused, I guess it serves no purpose.

Mike

tscanlon
12-10-2003, 11:19 AM
The dec 2nd date is a legal/accounting thing having to do with Authorized/Issued/Oustanding shares.

grebnet
12-10-2003, 11:40 AM
anyone here buying CFC on this drop?????

Michaelk005
12-10-2003, 12:48 PM
Down $4.50, yikes thats not good. I think it will rebound but as for the target price mr market set, im doubtin it will reach that leval soon.

jiesen
12-12-2003, 11:58 AM
looks like that wouldn't have been a bad idea, picking some more shares up under 100. I didn't consider it, though for 2 reasons.

1) I put my double-down money on HELE already.
2) It pulled back on news of lowered earnings expectations for sector.

I think if the stock drops on bad news, it's not always a good idea to buy more. Also, these attempts to beat the model don't seem to be working (for me anyway). Some turn out ok, but some backfire. I'm finding it not worth the effort to try to beat Ernie.

Just go with the flow, man!

mrmarket
12-12-2003, 01:45 PM
It amazes me how the whole market reacted to one pessimistic news release. CFC will make a lot of money next year and their stock valuation is cheap. If the market won't reward it with a higher share price, the company's management will certainly reward the shareholders some other way (buyback, dividend, merger, etc.).

chopper77
01-08-2004, 03:22 PM
Anyone think this stock is a good place to be going forward? It may be a good company, but for anyone looking for quick money (Mr. Market style, 4-6 weeks), I don't think this whole sector is going anywhere.

Any thoughts? Estimates as to how long this will take to go up 15%?

mrmarket
01-08-2004, 03:30 PM
Anyone think this stock is a good place to be going forward? It may be a good company, but for anyone looking for quick money (Mr. Market style, 4-6 weeks), I don't think this whole sector is going anywhere.

Any thoughts? Estimates as to how long this will take to go up 15%?

I think CFC will make a lot of money in 2004. I like owning these kinds of stocks.

mr.yuk
01-09-2004, 09:03 AM
Okay MM, I'm sticking with you on this one. Riding out the ugly looking chart.

Dave
01-09-2004, 10:38 AM
This is my old moneymaker NCEN, but should bode well for all similar companies, like CFC:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040107/law087_1.html

bon46
01-21-2004, 08:05 AM
:?: MRMARKET posted will purchase CFC at $106.88: on Ernie web page
price indicated buy at $80.97> Why is there a disparity between the two prices?

mrmarket
01-21-2004, 08:55 AM
:?: MRMARKET posted will purchase CFC at $106.88: on Ernie web page
price indicated buy at $80.97> Why is there a disparity between the two prices?

The stock split 4-3 on December 7.

Ton
01-28-2004, 01:02 PM
Wow! CFC sold today for $85,90. That's in my records 37 in a row. A 15% gain in less than 2 month. And do you know what? I'm not even angry towards his Hugeness for not reaching the 4-6 weeks target, for me 7 weeks will do :wink:
Thanks Ernie, you're $$$HUGE$$$

scifos
02-04-2004, 02:32 PM
News from PRNewswire:

NEW YORK, Feb. 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Nasdaq Stock Market, Inc. ("NASDAQ") (OTC Bulletin Board: NDAQ) today announced that Countrywide Financial Corporation CFC has been approved for listing on the NASDAQ National Market(R).

Countrywide announced on January 12 that it intended to list on the NASDAQ Stock Market and The New York Stock Exchange.

"Countrywide has built a reputation in the financial services industry for leadership and innovation, and we welcome them to the NASDAQ family of companies," said Bruce Aust, executive vice president, NASDAQ Corporate Client Group. "We believe in the value of competition in the capital markets and the benefits it can provide to shareholders of companies such as Countrywide." Founded in 1969, Countrywide is a member of the S&P 500, Forbes 500 and Fortune 500. Through its family of companies, Countrywide provides mortgage banking and diversified financial services in domestic and international markets.

Companies wishing to dual list on NASDAQ must meet National Market listing standards. Firms listing on NASDAQ as well as the NYSE will trade under the same one, two, or three-letter symbol on both markets.

NASDAQ(R) is the world's largest electronic stock market. With approximately 3,300 companies, it lists more companies and, on average, trades more shares per day than any other U.S. market. It is home to category- defining companies that are leaders across all areas of business including technology, retail, communications, financial services, transportation, media and biotechnology industries. NASDAQ is the primary market for trading NASDAQ listed stocks. Approximately 54% of NASDAQ-listed shares traded are reported to NASDAQ systems.

For more information about NASDAQ, visit the NASDAQ Web site at www.NASDAQ.com or the NASDAQ Newsroom(SM) at www.NASDAQnews.com.

© 2004 PRNewswire

jiesen
03-01-2004, 11:59 AM
You're target's 92.88, adjusted for the 4:3 split. So are you going to sell this one or what? I've got my finger on the trigger now at 93.2... no I've sold it now. Not gonna be a dick for a tick! Thanks for the pick!

You're HUGE!

mrmarket
03-01-2004, 12:04 PM
You're target's 92.88, adjusted for the 4:3 split. So are you going to sell this one or what? I've got my finger on the trigger now at 93.2... no I've sold it now. Not gonna be a dick for a tick! Thanks for the pick!

You're HUGE!

Congrats...now where are all of those people that were grumbling when Washington Mutual missed their numbers and everyone panicked and sold CFC?? How can you possibly sell a stock on bad news with a P/E of 5??

These people obviously do not have 52 winners in a row.