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mrmarket
12-15-2006, 02:58 PM
Ever go out drinking all night and come home tired with a belly full of beer? Everything is excellent and you are more than prepared to sleep like a baby. You throw your clothes all over the room and then dive into bed. Another Saturday night success!

All of a sudden you start having these weird dreams. You’re driving in a car and need to pull over to the side of the road to go siss. Or, you’re at a football game and you get up to go to the men’s room and you can’t find it. Or you’re back in high school, and you ask the teacher for a hall pass, and he doesn’t give it to you. Finally, you wake up with the revelation that you have to go siss like a Russian race horse. So you go to your bathroom, open up your fire hose, take care of bitness and go try to go back to sleep. The only problem is that now your head is throbbing like 10 pounds of poop in a 3 pound bag.

Or how about this scenario? You schedule a morning meeting at 10 am. This way you get to sleep an extra hour. But at 6 am, you get that urge to go siss. You get up and take care of bitness, but now you can’t go back to sleep.

Or how about this story? Titan Omega went up on the roof to siss. He gets too close to the edge and takes the fast elevator down.

Or how about this story? A Yale graduate and a Wharton MBA wakes up in the middle of the night, sleepwalks to his refrigerator and waters his lettuce.

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All of these stories are true and truth IS stranger than fiction.

Wouldn’t it be great if there were some ancient Chinese herb you could take to make you suppress the urge to go siss when you don’t really have to? Now you don’t have to dream.

Today I bought AOB, American Oriental Bioengineering, at 12.25. I will sell it in 4 - 6 weeks 14.15. Here’s why I like AOB:

AOB’s stock is up 184% in the last 12 months, yet it’s still very cheap. Even though its present P/E is 33, it’s accelerating growth and earnings puts its forward P/E ratio at only 22. Look at this chart…it’s ramping up:

http://chart.finance.yahoo.com/c/1y/a/aob

American Oriental Bioengineering, Inc. engages in the development and production of plant-based pharmaceutical (PBP) products and plant-based nutraceutical (PBN) products in China. Its PBP products include cease enuresis soft gel, which is used to alleviate bed-wetting and urination disorder; double ginseng yishen grain that is used for neurosis, vegetative nerve functional disturbance, and hypo-immunity; root of red-rooted salvia tablet that improves blood circulation and blood flow to the coronary artery to relieve pain, and is used for coronary ischemia and angina pectoris caused by coronary heart disease; and urinstopper patch, which is used to avoid frequent urination, urinal incontinence, and bed wetting.

Their two big products are SoyPeptide Beverage. The product contains Soybean Peptide which is extracted from the Soy Protein Isolate through enzyme reaction, is composed of 3 to 6 amino acid with molecular weight less than 1,000d. Peptide is absorbed and digested by our body more directly than amino acid, is low in sensitivity and zero in cholesterol that is good to health. It also consists of complete plant protein, rich in 9 kinds of essential amino acids that make rapid recovery of energy, as well as accelerating the power of brain. Further, it is also good for energy metabolism. This product is added with soybean peptide and condensed ribes nigrum, which is rich in vitamins and minerals, is very good to our health.

The other one is Cease-enuresis soft gel
Chinese spelling:Yiniaoting Jiaonang
Ingredients】Hulled seed cream of shinyleaf yellowhorn.
Character】 This products are in brown granules, slightly sweet and acerbity in flavor
Pharmacological action】 This product can reduce micturition times of water loading in mice; increase sphincter vesicae discharge frequency of a rat, enlarging scope,as well as prolong discharge period, as a result shrink sphincter vesicae. The in vitro studies indicated this product also can resist the shrinkage of white rat's bladder smooth muscle caused by acetylcholine, as well as reduce its tension. What? No more shrinkage? Now I can go in the pool?

We all agree that medicine is getting expensive. People, wisely, will turn to non-prescription herbal products if they work. How do you know if they work? Word of mouth is the tried and true way. This stuff actually seems to be working. How do I know this? Do people buy Ipods? People are buying AOB’s products. It seems to work, and people like telling their friends about it, especially if it works.

AOB has, in the last ten years, grown from a start-up in 1994 with about $100,000 of revenue to become a leading manufacturer of plant-based pharmaceutical products and plant-based nutraceutical products for the rapidly growing Chinese market. They operate in a large and growing market. The total pharmaceutical and nutraceutical market in China was approximately $62 billion in 2004. Demographic trends in this market are favorable, as the Chinese population continues to grow and age and economic expansion in China creates wealth, which serves to increase the number of citizens who can afford healthcare. With the total market for pharmaceutical products in China, herbal and plant-based pharmaceutical remedies and products have an extensive history. Many Chinese consumers and doctors rely upon the use of plant-based products for treatment of a variety of different ailments, consistent with the Eastern philosophy of health and wellness. AOB's standing could open the way to a raft of new biotech developed foods in China, particularly as the country races to meet rising demand for processed foods in an effort to feed its still burgeoning population – currently said to stand at 1.3 billion people. The supply of soy products has proved particularly problematic in recent years, leading the country to become a net importer of soybeans.

The company's research team reports that the growth of liver cancer cells inside mice was ‘successfully suppressed' by soybean protein peptides without side effects. Their findings could lead to future market opportunities for the ingredient. Soy is the most widely used botanical by pre- and post-menopausal women but its use by men is also growing as research continues to show the benefits on heart health. In the US, soy sales have grown from $940 million in 1990 to a projected $4 billion this year.

AOB currently has more than 100 products in their portfolio, all plant-based in formulation divided into two key categories: plant-based pharmaceuticals and plant-based nutraceuticals. PBP is the larger of the Company’s two divisions as a percentage of revenue. PBP products in China require approval from the state FDA and are administered both through over-the-counter locations and through prescriptions at hospitals and clinics. The two largest products in the PBP category are Shuanghuanglian Powder Injection and Cease Enuresis Soft Gel. SLPI, our largest contributing product, as a percent of total revenue is one of the only two PBP herbal injections approved by the China state FDA for treating anti-viral indications. Cease Enuresis Soft Gel is approved by the China state FDA as a prescription remedy for chronic bedwetting and nighttime urination. Bedwetting is a serious problem affecting millions of children and adults. Leveraging on our Cease-Enuresis Soft Gel and the newly established research center, we believe the Company can capture a substantial market share of serving patients suffering from enuresis or chronic bedwetting syndrome

PBN is the smaller of the Company’s two divisions. PBN products are not licensed by the China state FDA, but they generally require local government approval and are typically sold over the counter at the retail outlets. AOBO’s PBN division products soybean peptide products in powder and liquid forms. Soybean peptide is a cholesterol-free energy-boosting protein source that enhances the immune system and has anti-fatigue benefits. AOBO also produces a line of nutritional products through the PBN division, including the Three-Happiness nutritional drink, which are rich in vitamins and amino acids to enhance well-being and to provide energy The Three-Happiness product line is a recognized retail brand name in China.

AOB owns a very recognizable brand in China with their Three-Happiness nutritional beverages and the soy protein peptide line, and have developed and own two growing products within the PBP market, all of which will benefit from further market penetration and expansion.

Their strategy is to grow organically by focusing on new product development and expanding the application of PBP products. This strategic component involves further penetrating existing markets, capitalizing on the favorable macrodemographic trends, and expanding the established distribution network.

How does this boil down to dead Presidents and Franklins? You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth! In November, AOB reported their 3rd quarter results for 2006:

Third Quarter 2006 Highlights:

-- Organic Revenue Growth of 63% during the Quarter
-- Consolidated Gross Margins improve 3.5% versus last year to 66.9%
-- Management Expects Fourth Quarter Revenue to be in the range of $37 million to $39 million and at least $0.15 in EPS

For the third quarter 2006, the Company reported revenues of $27.1 million, an increase of 101.9 percent compared to $13.4 million in the third quarter of last year. The increase in total revenues for the quarter from last year was driven by strong organic growth in the Company's Plant-based Pharmaceutical (PBP) and Plant-based Nutraceutical (PBN) line of products and as a result of continuing momentum from the acquisition of Guangxi Lingfeng Pharmaceutical Co. Ltd. (GLP) earlier this year. During the third quarter, PBP sales, including GLP products, increased by 130.5 percent to $19.9 million compared to the third quarter last year. Sales of the Company's Cease Enuresis Soft Gel and Patch increased 117.8 percent to $6.6 million as compared to last year with sales of the Company's Shuanghuanlian Injection Powder increasing 51.5 percent to $6.5 million.

We all know it makes money, but will this move the stock price? Remember the mantra…earnings earnings earnings. ANAL-ysts say that AOB will earn $0.10/share next quarter, $0.43/share for this year and $0.58/share for next year. Excuse me while I siss in my pants laughing. AOB is growing its revenues sequentially EACH QUARTER. This growth is ACCELERATING. This is revenue growth, not just earnings growth. Their making it because their selling more stuff which means that their fixed costs become smaller and smaller per unit sales so their overall margin gets larger and larger. The growth rate is ridiculous. Why?

Simple…I’m smarter than the ANAL-ysts and can determine this with my Wharton MBA training. In July 2006, the company acquired HQPL, a distributor of pharmaceutical products throughout China, for approximately $4 million. This acquisition will substantially broaden the number of distribution points for its product portfolio form 10,000 to 100,000, and will enable AOB to sell throughout all regions of China. This was BRILLIANT strategy.
They can and will sustain this growth for at least another 3 quarters, which $$$MR. MARKET$$$ says will earn them $0.46/share in 2006 on revenues of $108 million. When their products hit the street from these new outlets, 2007 revenues will balloon to $206 million with EPS of $1.03. If you take the forward PE that the ANAL-ysts gave us (22) and multiply it by $1.03, you get a share price of $22.66 which is well past my target price.
The boss is so excited I think he hasta go siss.

"I am pleased to report that our business continues to experience strong momentum as we reported the highest quarterly revenue and net income in the Company's history as we continue to penetrate the Chinese market and reinvigorate consumer brand awareness for GLP products in the women's health market," commented Tony Liu, Chairman and CEO of AOB. "We are pleased with the performance of our most recent initiatives, which include increased advertising and the expansion of our distribution channels through the acquisition of HQPL, as AOB becomes a recognized brand across China. We believe our orders for GLP products scheduled for delivery in the fourth quarter will exceed our projection of $6 million announced at the end of September."

Mr. Liu concluded, "Based on improving visibility and confidence in our business we are going to begin providing quarterly revenue and earnings per share guidance beginning with our fourth quarter 2006 results. At this time we expect the fourth quarter revenue to be in the range of $37 million to $39 million with diluted earnings per share of at least $0.15, which would represent approximately 88 percent to 98 percent revenue growth from the comparable quarter last year with EPS increasing approximately 67 percent versus last year."

This guy ain’t no dummy. Liu holds an EMBA degree and is an experienced entrepreneur. He was in the military for over 19 years and held a high rank commander position when he was with the People’s Liberation Army. After Mr. Liu left the army, he started working for the government of Heilongjiang province. Mr. Liu accumulated and possesses many years of working experience while he witnessed and participated in the massive macro economic changes in China. Mr. Liu was one of the representatives to the National People’s Congress. During the last thirteen years, Mr. Liu has led and managed the Company as its Chief Executive Officer. He has more than ten years of experience in managing pharmaceutical companies. Mr. Liu was named the Outstanding Chinese Entrepreneur of the World and he is currently the Vice Chairman of the International Chinese Entrepreneur Association.
I guess if he eats his products, he won’t have to go to the “loo” in the middle of the night. Ha ha ha. I murder me!

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jiesen
12-15-2006, 03:46 PM
Nice pick, $$MM! And a great writeup! I'm in with you at $12.2.

billyjoe
12-15-2006, 04:22 PM
My Market. I like AOB but am prejudiced against it after watching it do nothing for a year. Can we really trust those Chinese numbers?

-----------billyjoe

mrmarket
12-15-2006, 04:54 PM
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Websman
12-15-2006, 05:33 PM
Nice pic! I owned this one when it was around $5...should have held huh? jejeje

bonriferus
12-15-2006, 06:04 PM
I enjoyed your write up and new to your site. I bought at 12.20 as well. You sure did some nice homework on this one.

skiracer
12-15-2006, 06:10 PM
I enjoyed your write up and new to your site. I bought at 12.20 as well. You sure did some nice homework on this one.

You'll do real well here. The huge one loves to hear that stuff. Be careful of those Armenians an the Greeks.

billyjoe
12-15-2006, 06:14 PM
If that anti pee stuff really works this stock will skyrocket.

---------billyjoe

IIC
12-15-2006, 06:19 PM
Nice to see my suggested stock was picked

IIC
12-15-2006, 11:17 PM
Well Ernie...I'm not gonna post Monday's IIC 100 till tomorrow...But for the readers of this thread I'll let them in on a little secret...

AOB advances to # 2...Right behind a new # 1...That oughtta be good for 10% of your 15% goal...lol

Now we know where Ernie really gets his pix... ;)

Tatnic
12-16-2006, 09:04 AM
Nice to see my suggested stock was picked

I've had this one from much lower levels but to be honest I'm more than a little nervous to see it get so much attention here. However, the chart is still very strong so there's no need to get out yet. A strong chart overrules many foibles.

peanuts
12-16-2006, 10:42 AM
I received the email for the AOB pick, but not the CHAP pick

Mr. Market,

You still have a lot of room to learn about good technical entries. Your fundamental analysis is perfect, and the screens that you use really do pull out some of the best stocks in the market, but I'm disappointed, sometimes, with your final pick and entry.

It may be due to the current market environment, but the momentum modelling isn't working now, as well as it has in the past. It seems that you're coming late to the party with these buys. This is just my observation from the last year or so. I know how successful this portfolio has been in the past, and that certainly says alot about the quality of it. But, you can do even better with better timing.

yeah, yeah, yeah, you've heard this all before :rolleyes: What the heck does little peanuts know, anyway?

This site is awesome, by the way! :)

mrmarket
12-16-2006, 02:18 PM
Yea...I forgot to check a certain box on the email page for the CHAP pick.....I'm sure a lot of people did not get that email.

IIC
12-16-2006, 02:32 PM
I got the CHAP email.

Peanuts: Maybe someday you can be on the "A" List too :rolleyes:

rsinj
12-16-2006, 02:36 PM
That's an interesting pick - however, I'll side with the other person who indicated the technicals.

Considering it's doubled in the past 2 months, and looking at the chart, I think there's a better chance that it retraces back to $10 than seeing $14.15 in 4 to 6 weeks.

But, good luck.

Alwayspersevere
12-16-2006, 05:30 PM
Assuming you're a Big Pharma top exec . You face big challenges such as; low r&d outcome, declining margin in an evermultypling me too drugmarket, a flurry of lawsuits, Fda increasing scrutiny in the NDA process and so on. Lately you heard about a small Amex listed chinese cie that's steadily growing fast in the largest consumers market in the world. You read the news that this cie will be listed NYSE having began on the OTC only three years ago.

What do you do?

A) I ask the financial chief to tune in on this cie by buying shares or option. I also ask the marketing director to study the cie. From these data, i look into a possible partnership with this cie . This venture would help our pipeline, distribution of our products in Asia, distribution of Aob products among our channel. An opportunity really worth the efforts.

B) I do nothing and keep on doing business as usual. After all focusing on that matter is not planned in our programmation for the year. Why do I have to take the risk of being blame for not sticking with our plan?

In dec 2002 , I wrote to a Big Pharma exec asking him to take a look at ELN which had crashed but still has a good pipeline potential . I receive a laconic answer from an assistant stating that it was not in the cie plan. Eln was then trading @1$ a pop. Today you can buy a share for 14$. The Ceo went to retirement with the shining pension package a couple of months ago. He was very good at sticking with the plan. Under his helm the cie share price went from 80$ a share to the mid twenties$. A bid success for the shareholders( or bagholders).So I guess this little story will help you answer my question.

Have fun

Alwayspersevere

lemonjello
12-17-2006, 02:07 AM
Homer : Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. And Armenians bearing stock picks since they tend to buy right before a big correction.


You'll do real well here. The huge one loves to hear that stuff. Be careful of those Armenians an the Greeks.

Tatnic
12-17-2006, 09:31 AM
That's an interesting pick - however, I'll side with the other person who indicated the technicals.

Considering it's doubled in the past 2 months, and looking at the chart, I think there's a better chance that it retraces back to $10 than seeing $14.15 in 4 to 6 weeks.

But, good luck.

Not sure what chart you're looking at but if you feel that strongly then short it. Just because a stock has run up doesn't mean it can't go higher..ie see charts of iig and ioc for just a couple of examples of sucker shorts.

bigbear
12-17-2006, 11:21 PM
It does seem like AOB has been on a fairly strong downtrend for the last 4 days with some fairly hefty volume on the downside it's lost roughly 8%. We'll see what happens tomorrow but I'm thinking there is some more downside action.

casinoboy3
12-18-2006, 03:22 PM
Another fine pick that drops 12% a day after you buy it..... never fails.... at least MTEX is up!

MM, are you still on track to beat the market this year?
Just curious since the market is up almost 15% and you made a total of 9 picks this year, 3 of which reached 15% and 6 of which have lost money (thus far, anyway).

bigbear
12-18-2006, 05:09 PM
Actually it was also dropping 3 days before he bought it and still on the day he bought it. So in 5 days it's down about 17%! It's probably a good buy once the trend reverses.

mrmarket
12-18-2006, 05:50 PM
Another fine pick that drops 12% a day after you buy it..... never fails.... at least MTEX is up!

MM, are you still on track to beat the market this year?
Just curious since the market is up almost 15% and you made a total of 9 picks this year, 3 of which reached 15% and 6 of which have lost money (thus far, anyway).

if I take my total position at the beginning of 2006 and compare it to what I have now, I am up over 15%..yes.

mrmarket
12-18-2006, 05:56 PM
Another fine pick that drops 12% a day after you buy it..... never fails.... at least MTEX is up!

MM, are you still on track to beat the market this year?
Just curious since the market is up almost 15% and you made a total of 9 picks this year, 3 of which reached 15% and 6 of which have lost money (thus far, anyway).


never fails?? How long have you been following my trades? I've been doing this for over 15 years.

Regarding AOB, if it continues to grow its revenues and earnings, its stock price will reach my target. What's different about AOB, the company, today than 5 days ago?

casinoboy3
12-18-2006, 06:43 PM
never fails?? How long have you been following my trades? I've been doing this for over 15 years.

Regarding AOB, if it continues to grow its revenues and earnings, its stock price will reach my target. What's different about AOB, the company, today than 5 days ago?

Nothing is different about the company, I liked it when you posted it in your top 5, and I like it now. I have no doubt it will reach your target.

I've been following your trades for a few years now, but lately, does it not seem like your picks fall (sometimes a lot, 10-15%+) before they go up? That's why I said "never fails." I guess in the long term (or if the system works, in 4-6 weeks) it doesn't matter though, when you sell at your target and make a profit, how much it went down during the time you held it is irrelevant.

mrmarket
12-18-2006, 07:39 PM
Nothing is different about the company, I liked it when you posted it in your top 5, and I like it now. I have no doubt it will reach your target.

I've been following your trades for a few years now, but lately, does it not seem like your picks fall (sometimes a lot, 10-15%+) before they go up? That's why I said "never fails." I guess in the long term (or if the system works, in 4-6 weeks) it doesn't matter though, when you sell at your target and make a profit, how much it went down during the time you held it is irrelevant.

You were starting to sound like those guys over at IBD

Websman
12-18-2006, 08:31 PM
You were starting to sound like those guys over at IBD

You talking about the same guys that had the nerve to ban the Vulcan?

billyjoe
12-18-2006, 08:40 PM
You talking about the same guys that had the nerve to ban the Vulcan?

Webs,
They only like humans , those that don't ask questions.

------------billyjoe

spikefader
12-18-2006, 09:07 PM
AOB looks like it wants $9.10 support.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/338/7714hv4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

mrmarket
12-19-2006, 08:26 AM
support, schmaport....give me one good reason why AOB will not continue to grow their revenues and earnings...

come on..I'm waiting.

New-born baby
12-19-2006, 08:59 AM
support, schmaport....give me one good reason why AOB will not continue to grow their revenues and earnings...

come on..I'm waiting.

MM,
What he is saying is that $9.10 is an excellent place to buy the stock. Make 30% instead of 15%. That would be HUGE, ya know.

mannyp
12-19-2006, 11:13 AM
I noticed this pattern quite some time ago that I usually buy several days after MM. Usually there is a fallback and I can pick the stock up cheaper than MM and many times several dollars less than MM. For example, I own BBD which I picked up at $35.62. My sell target is less than MM's purchase price. I have been following this pattern and has worked out for me pretty well.

Also, I think AOB was a risky pick. I liked IAAC which was up 12% in one day.

lemonjello
12-19-2006, 04:44 PM
NB,

if you bought it down at 9.1 would you still hold for MM's target? Or maybe just use a floating stop and hope it turns into AXR?


MM,
What he is saying is that $9.10 is an excellent place to buy the stock. Make 30% instead of 15%. That would be HUGE, ya know.

lemonjello
12-19-2006, 07:07 PM
Congratulations. You've approximated the S&P on a non-risk adjusted basis.

if I take my total position at the beginning of 2006 and compare it to what I have now, I am up over 15%..yes.

alice4321us
12-19-2006, 10:43 PM
MM,
What he is saying is that $9.10 is an excellent place to buy the stock. Make 30% instead of 15%. That would be HUGE, ya know.

Looking at the chart it seems first major support is at 10 and then 50 MA which is 9.11 ??

mrmarket
12-19-2006, 10:50 PM
Congratulations. You've approximated the S&P on a non-risk adjusted basis.

Actually you're wrong. The P/E of my portfolio is MUCH lower than that of the S&P 500...so my holdings are less risky.

New-born baby
12-19-2006, 11:29 PM
NB,

if you bought it down at 9.1 would you still hold for MM's target? Or maybe just use a floating stop and hope it turns into AXR?

Actually I bought it much lower than $9.10 and I cut it loose at $10.04. Too soon, eh?

I would not buy AOB right now. I would look for an entry at $9.10 or $9.00, but if $9 fails that means she moves back into the $7- range where I got it the first time. But I think she bounces at $9.10 and moves up again. She's just bearish right now. Look at the chart; wouldn't take too much to make a head and shoulders top.

As to your question, I would consider a $9.10 entry, put a close stop under it at $8.97, and 1st target the left shoulder's top; 2nd target the head; and third target would be to sell half and let her run.

mrmarket
12-20-2006, 08:33 AM
entry schmentry...if the earnings are there, you can't keep a good stock down.

blessed
12-20-2006, 10:46 AM
Totally agree with MM ....AOB just on a pause

Tatnic
12-20-2006, 04:44 PM
Actually you're wrong. The P/E of my portfolio is MUCH lower than that of the S&P 500...so my holdings are less risky.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.... P/E ratio is a lousy measure of risk, probably one of the worst.

DSteckler
12-20-2006, 04:56 PM
Bruce is correct. P/E has very little to do with the measurement of risk.

mrmarket
12-20-2006, 04:58 PM
Bruce is correct. P/E has very little to do with the measurement of risk.

It depends how you define "risk". If a company's PE is low, that means that, all things being equal, its stock price is less susceptible to negative changes in its earnings stream.

DSteckler
12-20-2006, 06:00 PM
The "Risk" in investments typically is measured by the Sharpe ratio, Ernie. Not P/E ratio.

skiracer
12-20-2006, 09:43 PM
I like the play to the upside over the short term to intermediate term but I need to see some consolidation of recent gains first. If the pullback takes place as I think it will the entry at 9.50 level could provide some very intense gains with a decent r/r. Here's my take on the daily and weekly charts. The weekly has an interesting formation within a formation which you don't see to often.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3571/aobnx0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7621/aob2wk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mrmarket
12-20-2006, 11:19 PM
The "Risk" in investments typically is measured by the Sharpe ratio, Ernie. Not P/E ratio.

Are you talking systematic risk or non-systematic risk? I would advocate the Jensen or Trainer method if it were the latter.

IIC
12-21-2006, 12:38 AM
P/E is meaningless...Just ask WON

lemonjello
12-22-2006, 02:07 AM
Did those two nerds win the NOBEL PRIZE?

Sharpe:1990 Economics Nobel laureate.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economics/laureates/1990/

Case. Closed.


Are you talking systematic risk or non-systematic risk? I would advocate the Jensen or Trainer method if it were the latter.

skiracer
12-22-2006, 08:12 AM
I like the play to the upside over the short term to intermediate term but I need to see some consolidation of recent gains first. If the pullback takes place as I think it will the entry at 9.50 level could provide some very intense gains with a decent r/r. Here's my take on the daily and weekly charts. The weekly has an interesting formation within a formation which you don't see to often.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3571/aobnx0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7621/aob2wk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I would be looking for the c wave down right here guys. It looks good for a short play today down to around the 9/9..50 level and then be ready to catch the spike up off the c wave down. 9.50 is a great entry to previous highs and anything under 9 is an extra. Be patient and wait for that bottom. I don't think it will be today and there might be a false spike up to fool you but today is a take the money and run day before the holidays and the looooong weekend so the possibility is definitely there.

MAMA has me salvitating over the coming short play. Plenty of room for profit taking built up under these levels. When this one starts to fall the domino effect will be to much to stop it before it sheds some big numbers. Chances are today being a take the money and run day could be the day. Be on the lookout for the coming short play.

Runner
12-22-2006, 07:54 PM
Here is my short term read on AOB based on Daily chart.

Stock makes new highs and then puts in a huge wide range bar to the downside. I view this as an expansion of volatility and in fact the Red arrows show some expansion. The entire blue circle depicts where I believe the expansion phase is occurring.

The 2 blue lines indicate the current bull/bear line. It is common for volatility to return back to it’s mean or back into compression phase. I would get concerned on AOB should it drop out of the lower blue line depicted on chart. Should this happen it might head to the gap. Key word being might. This thing is one volatile stock for sure.

I’m always cautious of any stock that makes new highs and then thrusts to the downside. In AOB’s case everyone who bot last week is sitting on a loss.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6567/aobsv6.png (http://imageshack.us)

billyjoe
12-22-2006, 08:03 PM
Cramer said tonight he doesn't like AOB. Nothing particular against AOB , it's just that he's been burned on a similar stock and on Chinese stocks in general.

---------billyjoe

DSteckler
12-22-2006, 08:19 PM
Excellent analysis, Runner.

Runner
12-23-2006, 12:39 AM
Ski, I'm going to leave AOB alone as it is to crazy for me right now.

mrmarket
01-03-2007, 11:58 AM
you sees...?

studentofthemarket
01-03-2007, 05:43 PM
Congratulations. You've approximated the S&P on a non-risk adjusted basis.

I was thinking the same thing. Hell, I did nearly 18% on the year in my mutual fund laden 403B plan.


Student

Runner
01-04-2007, 03:28 PM
I'm noticing some compression in AOB's volatility. Now the direction of the next thrust is anyone's guess... My ATR system would give it about 11% risk

skiracer
01-04-2007, 03:34 PM
I'm noticing some compression in AOB's volatility. Now the direction of the next thrust is anyone's guess...

I like it to the upside from here an am looking for a long position. I'm just waiting to see how things work out with the markets first. Started off looking stronger an I almost bought in but decided to hold off an it did drop. In the negative right now. I'll take it as cheap as I can get it. I'll post a chart with my thoughts later when I can. Ended up in the green on decent volume today. I'm still watching it for an entry.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/457/aob4qj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

skiracer
01-04-2007, 10:08 PM
[quote=skiracer;75696]I like it to the upside from here an am looking for a long position. I'm just waiting to see how things work out with the markets first. Started off looking stronger an I almost bought in but decided to hold off an it did drop. In the negative right now. I'll take it as cheap as I can get it. I'll post a chart with my thoughts later when I can. Ended up in the green on decent volume today. I'm still watching it for an entry. Anyone else looking for an entry on this stock?

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/457/aob4qj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Runner
01-04-2007, 10:31 PM
Here is my update on AOB. The stock has tested the huge Extreme bar and is trying to retest again. I think this stock needs a strong push over 12.50 area where I think temp R is at. Currently it has a drifting look to it as it creeps up. I did notice volatility was compressing today and so a move is in store. I don’t like the wedge like pattern it is possibly in right now. I would become more bullish on a deeper P/B at this juncture, but I also would respect a nice blast through 12.50..

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1915/aob1zj5.png (http://imageshack.us)

mrmarket
01-09-2007, 05:16 PM
you seeeeeeeS?

jiesen
01-09-2007, 05:44 PM
wow, 10% in one day. AOB is HUGE!!!

Runner
01-09-2007, 09:40 PM
you sees...?

Mr. M you be da-man!!!

Mr. Lafarge
01-10-2007, 12:37 PM
Mr. Markets is HUGE. I took a look at AOB when you first suggested it. I saw that it was pulling back some so I waited a few days then bought 500 at $11.70. I sold today at 13.70. That puts me up $1,000 - the 7.00 commis. That was a very good pick. Thank You Thank You. And I like you write-ups very much. Keep them coming.

Nummerkins
01-10-2007, 01:53 PM
Mr Market is truly huge!

I've only been investing stocks for a little under a year and haven't done too bad. Then, I stumbled onto this site about a month ago. Sold my AOB today for a 15% gain. Thanks Mr. Market!!

While we're on the topic of selling, I also sold AAPL today for a 30% gain.

:cool:

skiracer
01-12-2007, 10:37 AM
If AOB breaks below 12 I'll be looking for a bottom and an entry point.

Runner
01-12-2007, 03:46 PM
If AOB breaks below 12 I'll be looking for a bottom and an entry point.

I'm noticing some compression again on 15 min chart. I did play aob a few days ago off 12. I was looking at 12.50 but was wondering if 13 will be next launch point?

Runner
01-12-2007, 03:57 PM
13.12 trigger off 60 min chart 13.30 R

Runner
01-16-2007, 10:30 AM
13.12 trigger off 60 min chart 13.30 R

AOB 60 min R 13.30 pop over next R 13.58-13.90
Daily trigger over last close high

mrmarket
01-16-2007, 11:29 PM
AOB hits my target tomorrow.

peanuts
01-16-2007, 11:33 PM
AOB hits my target tomorrow.

I hope so!

So, are you working on another dump? :D

jiesen
01-17-2007, 11:32 AM
I noticed AOB hit 14.15 today, though my limit of 14.14 was missed... still, I got out at $14.0 for about a 14% gain! Not bad at all. Thanks for this superb pick, $$MM! You are HUGE!!!

mrmarket
01-17-2007, 12:23 PM
it did hit my target of 14.15, but I was reading the newspaper and missed that fleeting chance to sell it.

No problem...it will come.

Karel
01-17-2007, 01:35 PM
You have 1 executions today.

AOB went for 14.15. Great pick, $$$Mr.Market$$$ !!

You're HUGE

Regards,

Karel

skiracer
01-17-2007, 04:11 PM
If AOB breaks below 12 I'll be looking for a bottom and an entry point.

I bought it the other day and am thinking that I'll let it run out a bit. I see it going to 15/16 range. Ernie, I know you have a plan and a model but this one has more gas left in the tank. I think it is just getting started.

mrmarket
01-17-2007, 04:27 PM
I bought it the other day and am thinking that I'll let it run out a bit. I see it going to 15/16 range. Ernie, I know you have a plan and a model but this one has more gas left in the tank. I think it is just getting started.

Prolly..same as AXR hopefully for you.

skiracer
01-17-2007, 04:45 PM
I bought it the other day and am thinking that I'll let it run out a bit. I see it going to 15/16 range. Ernie, I know you have a plan and a model but this one has more gas left in the tank. I think it is just getting started.

I'm in alittle later than you are Ernie but I think there is more left in this one. I hope so anyway but I'm keeping a close eye on it. Who knows, I might even win the POTW with it this week. I think what is driving it down today is all those people that are following you are selling off to take their 16 % because once it reached around 14.15 it stopped. That must have been the 16 % marker. You're almost a market maker for God's sake. Everytime you open your mouth there's a fluctuation one way or another. BTW, I've got a real good investment buy on the pre-construction prices of these townhouses I'm building here in Seaside Heights if you have $750,000 laying around that you don't need and want to put to work. They'll be worth over 1million next year for sure.

mrmarket
01-17-2007, 04:56 PM
I'm in alittle later than you are Ernie but I think there is more left in this one. I hope so anyway but I'm keeping a close eye on it. Who knows, I might even win the POTW with it this week. I think what is driving it down today is all those people that are following you are selling off to take their 16 % because once it reached around 14.15 it stopped. That must have been the 16 % marker. You're almost a market maker for God's sake. Everytime you open your mouth there's a fluctuation one way or another. BTW, I've got a real good investment buy on the pre-construction prices of these townhouses I'm building here in Seaside Heights if you have $750,000 laying around that you don't need and want to put to work. They'll be worth over 1million next year for sure.

My wife would like that..her mom lives in Toms River.

skiracer
01-17-2007, 05:09 PM
My wife would like that..her mom lives in Toms River.

Bring her down and I'll give you the 1st class tour and take you to lunch. All it takes is $750 large ones and you're in. I'll take you to lunch even if you don't buy one. But they are real nice and available.
Where does her mom live at in Toms River? Is your wife from Toms River originally?

mrmarket
01-17-2007, 11:32 PM
My Market. I like AOB but am prejudiced against it after watching it do nothing for a year. Can we really trust those Chinese numbers?

-----------billyjoe

What do you think now?

mrmarket
01-17-2007, 11:32 PM
I received the email for the AOB pick, but not the CHAP pick

Mr. Market,

You still have a lot of room to learn about good technical entries. Your fundamental analysis is perfect, and the screens that you use really do pull out some of the best stocks in the market, but I'm disappointed, sometimes, with your final pick and entry.

It may be due to the current market environment, but the momentum modelling isn't working now, as well as it has in the past. It seems that you're coming late to the party with these buys. This is just my observation from the last year or so. I know how successful this portfolio has been in the past, and that certainly says alot about the quality of it. But, you can do even better with better timing.

yeah, yeah, yeah, you've heard this all before :rolleyes: What the heck does little peanuts know, anyway?

This site is awesome, by the way! :)

So..what's your conclusion?

mrmarket
01-17-2007, 11:33 PM
That's an interesting pick - however, I'll side with the other person who indicated the technicals.

Considering it's doubled in the past 2 months, and looking at the chart, I think there's a better chance that it retraces back to $10 than seeing $14.15 in 4 to 6 weeks.

But, good luck.

Ok..what do you say now??

mrmarket
01-17-2007, 11:34 PM
It does seem like AOB has been on a fairly strong downtrend for the last 4 days with some fairly hefty volume on the downside it's lost roughly 8%. We'll see what happens tomorrow but I'm thinking there is some more downside action.

Ok...Mr. B. How's the weather in West Roxbury??? Hmmm??

mrmarket
01-17-2007, 11:35 PM
Another fine pick that drops 12% a day after you buy it..... never fails.... at least MTEX is up!

MM, are you still on track to beat the market this year?
Just curious since the market is up almost 15% and you made a total of 9 picks this year, 3 of which reached 15% and 6 of which have lost money (thus far, anyway).


Well...where are you now C-boy?

mrmarket
01-17-2007, 11:36 PM
Totally agree with MM ....AOB just on a pause

you were correct.

mrmarket
01-17-2007, 11:38 PM
Mr. Markets is HUGE. I took a look at AOB when you first suggested it. I saw that it was pulling back some so I waited a few days then bought 500 at $11.70. I sold today at 13.70. That puts me up $1,000 - the 7.00 commis. That was a very good pick. Thank You Thank You. And I like you write-ups very much. Keep them coming.

www.golittletigers.com

is $1.00 for the kids too much to ask for?

peanuts
01-17-2007, 11:48 PM
So..what's your conclusion?

My conclusion is that you beat the market! You were able to make your 15% in the timeframe which you've stated. I never doubted you, Mr. Market, your record is certainly impressive. I was saying that you could have done the same, but in a shorter timeframe... but being as HUGE as you are, you've got to keep your investing $$$HUGE$$$ too

As soon as you bought, it should have gone straight to your 15%... right? :rolleyes: :p

Good job, Ernie

casinoboy3
01-18-2007, 11:04 PM
Well...where are you now C-boy?


I'm right here.... don't know why you're calling me out though, I liked AOB:

"Nothing is different about the company, I liked it when you posted it in your top 5, and I like it now. I have no doubt it will reach your target."

Granted I did make a post about it dropping 12% in the days after you bought it - just pointing out a trend I noticed about how your stocks like to drop before they go up (that will probably continue in your future picks)... regardless, the more important trend is your streak of 25 consecutive trades of 15% or better... you are HUGE!!

dodgeman
01-19-2007, 11:53 AM
Does today's retreat below 12.50 make AOB interesting again? How likely is another round trip to the 14's?

mrmarket
01-19-2007, 12:14 PM
Does today's retreat below 12.50 make AOB interesting again? How likely is another round trip to the 14's?

No idea...I'm off on another horse soon. Don't fall in love with a stock, it doesn't know you own it.

Tatnic
01-20-2007, 09:10 AM
Another fine pick that drops 12% a day after you buy it..... never fails.... at least MTEX is up!

MM, are you still on track to beat the market this year?
Just curious since the market is up almost 15% and you made a total of 9 picks this year, 3 of which reached 15% and 6 of which have lost money (thus far, anyway).

I'm guessing that ernie calculates his yearly returns the same way he advertises his site...he ignores his train wrecks (I noticed his consecutive trades went from 24 to 25 even though mtex and maybe others are still negative). If you take out the bad positions, your returns can be stellar even if your bank account shows negative growth for the year. I believe its what they learn in business school, ie financial engineering. Its also what many mutual fund companies do with their advertised returns. Bottom line, never believe what you read on the internet.

mrmarket
01-21-2007, 02:02 PM
I'm guessing that ernie calculates his yearly returns the same way he advertises his site...he ignores his train wrecks (I noticed his consecutive trades went from 24 to 25 even though mtex and maybe others are still negative). If you take out the bad positions, your returns can be stellar even if your bank account shows negative growth for the year. I believe its what they learn in business school, ie financial engineering. Its also what many mutual fund companies do with their advertised returns. Bottom line, never believe what you read on the internet.

A trade is completed, and added to my list when it is bought and sold. I don't "ignore" my train wrecks. They are all listed on my homepage which shows my holdings.

Why is it that hundreds of people seem to really enjoy what is presented in this forum, while you seem filled with bitterness, sarcasm and dare I say envy?

New-born baby
01-21-2007, 03:02 PM
MM,
Great forum here! Thanks for everything. Congrats on another HUGE win and I can't wait until the next top 5 come out!

spikefader
01-21-2007, 05:16 PM
MM,
Great forum here! Thanks for everything. Congrats on another HUGE win and I can't wait until the next top 5 come out!I echo those sentiments! Thanks Ernie.