$$$MR. MARKET$$$ Banned by IBD

[mrmarket]

Subject: IBD Forums Termination of Account
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:30:03 -0800
From: "IBD Forums Administrator" <ibdforumsadministrator@investors.com> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: mrmarket@mrmarketishuge.com


> Dear Mr. Barsamian:
>
> This is to inform you that we have terminated your access to the IBD
Forums on investors.com. As early as 2003, we have expressed our
concerns to you about excessive self-promotion including offensive posts,
driving traffic away from investors.com and use of the IBD Forums to sell
or promote yourself and your services. We have also received several
complaints about you from other IBD Forum participants. As a result, we
have determined that your continued violations of our policies have
resulted in the termination of your IBD Forums account.
>
> Sincerely,
> IBD Forums Staff
>
> > <<Ernie Barsamian Violation Letter 04 Termination.pdf>>
>

I was able to get one last post in over there. Go over and read my "obituary" and pay tribute!

[billyjoe]

Mr.Market,
I like your excessive self promotion and find your "offensive posts" very entertaining. Please do more of both.

billyjoe

[Gatorman]

Mr.Market,
I like your excessive self promotion and find your "offensive posts" very entertaining. Please do more of both.

billyjoe
Mr Market

I agree with billjoe. Large, liberal doses of self promotion and "offensive posts" are the engine that causes the machine to reel off profit after profit.
I decided to post a copy of my comment on the forum since you can no longer read it. See the following:

Mr Market:

What the small mind cannot defeat with logic must be hidden from view.

References to "complaints from others" who are conveniently unnamed is a typical tactic used when relying on truth is not considered an option.
I am saddened and am considering, after a similar treatment of Bruce Poormans, if my 8 year association with IBD should continue.
Fear of opposing views is not conducive to open discussions.

Gatorman

[Websman]

This is what I posted on the IBD board. For this, I will surely be banned myself................


I also enjoy Mr markets posts. Since joining Mr Markets forum I have learned much more than I ever would at IBD. There are quite a few great traders at Mr Markets forum, who talk about stocks openly, without the fear of getting banned or bashed.

Although I recently received a warning letter from IBD, I did not get banned. However, with this post, I will do my best get kicked off the IBD forum.

Are you ready for this IBD? This should get me banned. The truth hurts.

Join Mr Markets FREE forum today at...

www.mrmarketishuge (http://www.mrmarketishuge/) www.mrmarketishuge.com (http://www.mrmarketishuge.com/) www.mrmarketishuge.com (http://www.mrmarketishuge.com/)

[mrmarket]

LOL..this is good. What's funny is I still have my browser open to IBD so I have not signed off yet. As a result, I'm still able to post there. Good IT department over there.

[Websman]

LOL..this is good. What's funny is I still have my browser open to IBD so I have not signed off yet. As a result, I'm still able to post there. Good IT department over there.

I'm glad my subscription is getting ready to run out. I'm tired of getting their worthless papers.

[skiracer]

Finally. Good ridance. Just a waste of your time and life which is such a valuable commodity.

[mooddude]

I understand both parties. If I was IBD I would kick you out, MM, due to not paying me for self-promotion :) And if I was MM I would promote my site and content free everywhere I could :)

[Peter Hansen]

Who needs the CanSlim method anyway . I much prefer Mr Market's finest meats and cheeses picks....I have made more money with those stock selections!

[IIC]

Well...Ernie...I'm glad to see you "Finally" made the "A" Team...Took 'ya long enough ;)

You are now a "Charter Member" of the "IIC GREAT TRADERS CLUB"...And it looks like Webs will soon join us too!!!...Although Webs...I must say that your post will probably not do it...Needs to be a little bit stronger...But I'm reasonably certain you'll get it right in '06.

Best to all...And here's to Mr. M http://bestsmileys.com/drinking/20.gif

[IIC]

Oh...BTW...Watch out for IBD...I don't know if you can determine where the the members who join your forum come from...But on one Forum I run I can see the isp's...Sorta funny when the numbers convert to the WilliamOneil.com domain...I'm serious...But I have called them before and those people don't seem to exist...I don't know what anyone else calls it...But in my book I call it "Espionage"...Doug(IIC)

[Peter Hansen]

It would be nice to see IBD (With all their knowledge and expertise) issue their stock picks the same time Mr Market reveals his. The results should then be tabulated and published on Mr. Markets website and in the IBD newspaper after a one year period. I do not think IBD would accept the challenge! Would Mr Market accept the challenge?......I bet all the world's finest meats and cheeses he would!

[mrmarket]

Any more activity on my obituary thread in the IBD forum? They came to work today and finally restricted my access.

[Gary611]

What is the name of that thread? Or did they delete the whole thread?

[billyjoe]

Holy crap,Mr.Market, you've been totally deleted back to Sept.2005. What ever happened to truth, justice, the American way, and free speech? IBD stands (or hides) behind all those beliefs if it can make them $$$, but throws them away when it interferes with their program. It is fitting that your last post to a foul mouthed lout was " I have some hot new picks for you"


Come to think of it, IBD is being consistent. Ever notice how fast their top 100 stocks disappear once they tank? It's as if they never were there. Gee, I wonder if those tankers are figured into their returns vs. S&P 500?

billyjoe

[mrmarket]

No surpise here. It's a shame we can't get along. Did you ever read their newspaper editorials? Talk about intolerance. Sometimes I think Pat Robertson runs that newspaper.

[Gatorman]

Any more activity on my obituary thread in the IBD forum? They came to work today and finally restricted my access.
billyjoe is correct, I can find no evidence anywhere on the forums that you ever existed.
It is almost eerie.
On the other hand, I can find no evidence in my portfolio results that IBD ever existed. I can find a lot of evidence that Mr Market exists from the positive effect you have had on my portfolio.
That comparison pretty much says it all.

[billyjoe]

No surpise here. It's a shame we can't get along. Did you ever read their newspaper editorials? Talk about intolerance. Sometimes I think Pat Robertson runs that newspaper.


Mr. Market,
I've been thinking what you just said. What kind of business would go out of their way to alienate 50% of their possible clients? I don't mind reading an opinion that differs from mine unless it's the only opinion offered. We have more than one political party in this country for the benefit of everyone. There's plenty of evidence against the other option. Isn't that one of the reasons we're in Iraq?


billyjoe

[Lyehopper]

I've never posted on IBD's forum before.... Wonder how long it'll take me to get the boot.lol

Actually I'm suprised I'm still here after cussing out Karel that time. But this place is made up of real men (I include the gals in that statement too) who don't resolve their differences by banning a fellow member even if he was an "asshole" (speaking of me of course). Karel and me worked it out privately, I felt like a dog and life goes on. And Now I have a deeper respect for him, and this forum in general (similar experience with Ski and now we love each other again too.hehe). Of course I had to send Ed a little 105 proof "peace offering" but whatever it takes to "keep the love".Hahahahaaaa, Right Ski?....

Even the Aussie forum that Webs and some of the fellas visit will try to sensor you and keep you "in line"... They nailed Webs for posting your ($$MM$$) link over there.... Another Aussie story: Webs and me were posting on a general forum over there (having a ball too) and after one of my posts they locked down the freakin thread!!lol.... Just like that it's O.V.E.R! The administrator said it was time to "talk stocks", (imagine that) and said it was too contraversial (WHAT!? We were just gettin started too). We could have kept that stupid thread going indefinately over HERE at $$$MM$$'s.... Heck, Karel kept "Capt Matrix" GoJi spam on the thread for a long time before that was removed.... and good thing too because we'll all be rich some day when I bring that thing public.... There is NO better place that truely promotes free speech than $$$Mr. Market$$$'s forum.... RIGHT FELLAS!!!!

Thanks Ernie for having us all here dude, we love you man!.... Now!!!! how bout playing the freakin POTW sometime!!!!?lol

PS.... Hey Ernie!... Betcha they'll still take your money for that stinkin fishwrapper though, huh?

[billyjoe]

Mr. Market,
Your spirit lives. Talk of Mr.Market has resurfaced on poormans thread. They miss you and now wonder what has become of your posts. Many don't like what has been done. Poormans is staying neutral, hope they don't throw him off. There is speculation that you are posting under an alias and all that same old crap.

billyjoe

[Dave]

Just another reason to love this forum. If Bruce was never banned, I doubt anyone will be (at least for having opposing market views, not including spammers).

Go MM!

-Dave

[Websman]

I have started a new Mr Market thread on IBD titled, "Mr Market lives!!!" I encourage anyone who still has IBD access to make a post there, before it disappears.

Link...
http://www.investors.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=14217&sessionID=DE3C29B3FFD04CF1A20EB4E65B3683D2

[Adam]

I just want to thank you $$Mr Market$$ for scaring the big guy's so much they are trying to pretend you don't exist. Just like pohibition, it ain't gonna work. We'll find you anyway, because like you we only like the FINEST MEATS AND CHEESES!!!

[Websman]

Here's a my reply to a post on the IBD thread...




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On 12/27/2005 7:39:58 PM pamela wrote:


reh,
You wrote absolutely nothing inappropriate. It was a knowledgeable and encouraging post. As I wrote to you this morning, the reason no one else is responding is probably that (they are thinking) this is yet ANOTHER alias for $$$Mr.Market$$$....I mean websman...I mean Market....oh, that's right. They are the same person.
...Maybe I've had too much caffeine too late in the afternoon, but, for some strange reason, lying and sneaking around and manipulating people doesn't strike me as amusing today.


----------------(My reply) Websman wrote:

Pam, it's sad to see that you seem to have so much disdain for me. You really don't know my true nature do you? Let me just say that you are free to bash me all you would like, but I will never bash you in return. As a matter of fact, I would go out of my way to help you in any way I can.

If you ever need anything you can find me at Mr Markets forum. I fully expect to be banned from here soon. http://www.investors.com/idealbb/images/smilies/2.gif

[Lyehopper]

Mr. Market,
Your spirit lives. Talk of Mr.Market has resurfaced on poormans thread. They miss you and now wonder what has become of your posts. Many don't like what has been done. Poormans is staying neutral, hope they don't throw him off. There is speculation that you are posting under an alias and all that same old crap.

billyjoe
LOL.... one poster thinks Websman is really $$MM$$...hahahaaaaaa

Hey, a new member showed up yesterday named Mr. Maestro (SMVD thread) and they are speculating that he's really Mr. Market.... funny.... The following is a copy of a post on the SMVD thread, It's by a "chick" member named "Pamela", I think she has a "thing for you" dude....jejeje
================================================== ======
reh,
You wrote absolutely nothing inappropriate. It was a knowledgeable and encouraging post. As I wrote to you this morning, the reason no one else is responding is probably that (they are thinking) this is yet ANOTHER alias for $$$Mr.Market$$$....I mean websman...I mean Market....oh, that's right. They are the same person.

I don't know how I figured this out. Could it be that they both start with the word "Mister", or could it be that "Maestro" has a connotation of arrogance and condescension just as "$$$Mr.Market$$$" does?

Oh, or that, sure enough, the other personas showed up, as expected, shortly afterwards.

Maybe I've had too much caffeine too late in the afternoon, but, for some strange reason, lying and sneaking around and manipulating people doesn't strike me as amusing today.
================================================== =======

LOL.... This is very funny..... This gal thinks you are a ghost or something....woooooooo.... lol..... You know Ernie, I think that forum really does suck. You can tell by the posts that everyone is afraid to say anything. It's kinda like what I imagine posting on a communist board would be like.... Can you even post links to charts over there?

[Websman]

I just want to thank you $$Mr Market$$ for scaring the big guy's so much they are trying to pretend you don't exist. Just like pohibition, it ain't gonna work. We'll find you anyway, because like you we only like the FINEST MEATS AND CHEESES!!!

Great to have you here Adam!

[Lyehopper]

I have started a new Mr Market thread on IBD titled, "Mr Market lives!!!" I encourage anyone who still has IBD access to make a post there, before it disappears.

Link...
http://www.investors.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=14217&sessionID=DE3C29B3FFD04CF1A20EB4E65B3683D2
LOL.... I just answered your first post over there dude!

[Adam]

Thank you Websman. It's always good when in the best of company!

[Websman]

Thank you Websman. It's always good when in the best of company!

Trust me dude, you'll receive nothing but help around here. :)

[Websman]

LOL.... I just answered your first post over there dude!

Thanks Lye!

Anyone else???

[Lyehopper]

Thanks Lye!

Anyone else???
Hey Fellas! If you're not an IBD subscriber you can sign up for the "IBD free trial subscription" and gain access to the forum that way too.....LMBO

This could be more fun than the GoJi thread!

[Gatorman]

[deleted message]
Webs:
Great idea.

[Websman]

For this, I will surely be banned...


On 12/28/2005 3:51:11 PM IndependentsRule! wrote:

I doubt it. They let mrmarket skate a long time before 86ing him. Who wants to do the honors and contact forumsupport. LOL!

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(Websman)

Please contact them for me. I'll be waiting for my termination letter. http://www.investors.com/idealbb/images/smilies/2.gif

Let me give you a good reason to report me.

Here's a link to Mr Markets FREE site. www.mrmarketishuge.com (http://www.mrmarketishuge.com/)

Did you get that Independents? www.mrmarketishuge.com (http://www.mrmarketishuge.com/)

How about now? www.mrmarketishuge.com (http://www.mrmarketishuge.com/)

Did you get that IBD staff?

[Gatorman]

Webs:
You have them so confused over there as to your true identity that they will definitely report Mr_Maestro and probably each other for masquerading as the HUGE ONE.
It may take IBD weeks to figure it out. It would be hilarious if Pamela, reh, Independents Rule and a couple of the others got warning letters for being the HUGE ONE in disguise.

[Websman]

The IBD board is turning into a circus...

[skiracer]

Webs,
Just curious but what happens to the remainder of your subscription fees if they ban you with time left on the subscription for insubordination or treason against the IBD heirarchy? Seems to me that there is alot of positive energy being wasted on negative energy.

[Websman]

Webs,
Just curious but what happens to the remainder of your subscription fees if they ban you with time left on the subscription for insubordination or treason against the IBD heirarchy? Seems to me that there is alot of positive energy being wasted on negative energy.

I only have about two weeks left. just having a little fun.

[Websman]

I made my final post on IBD...





Ok guys,
I've had my fun. The time has come to make my final post on IBD.

I realize that some of you may be glad to see me gone, but there are also some others that I have met here, who have become have become my friends in trading. Although I will not mention names, there are quite a few people on this board that I have the utmost respect for. I owe these individuals a great deal of gratitude.

I wish everyone of you the best of luck with your trading. Whether you use Canslim or any other method, it is my desire to see you succeed.

Good luck guys!

Websman... the Vulcan

No need to ban me IBD. Cancel my subscription please. http://www.investors.com/idealbb/images/smilies/1.gif

[Lyehopper]

Webs,
Just curious but what happens to the remainder of your subscription fees if they ban you with time left on the subscription for insubordination or treason against the IBD heirarchy? Seems to me that there is alot of positive energy being wasted on negative energy.
LOL.... treason? IBD heirarchy? What?!!!!.... is IBD a country or what?

HEAR YE!!! HEAR YEEEEE!!!! Sir Websman of Destin!!!!.... You are hereby banished from the kingdom of IBD. The remaining two weeks left on your subscription will henseforth be divided up among all the IBD peasants.... and as for thou, Sir Websman of Destin!!!! YE shall forever be outside the walls of great IBD empire and be doomed to walk in the shamefull shadow of IBD public ememy number one... the EVIL, self promoting, off color stock picker.... $$$Mr. Market$$$.... LMBO!

[Websman]

LOL.... treason? IBD heirarchy? What?!!!!.... is IBD a country or what?

HEAR YE!!! HEAR YEEEEE!!!! Sir Websman of Destin!!!!.... You are hereby banished from the kingdom of IBD. The remaining two weeks left on your subscription will henseforth be divided up among all the IBD peasants.... and as for thou, Sir Websman of Destin!!!! YE shall forever be outside the walls of great IBD empire and be doomed to walk in the shamefull shadow of IBD public ememy number one... the EVIL, self promoting, off color stock picker.... $$$Mr. Market$$$.... LMBO!

This board will become very well known within the stock picking community. Watch and see...

$$$Mr Market$$$ is huge!!!

[IIC]

I've never posted on IBD's forum before.... Wonder how long it'll take me to get the boot.lol

Actually I'm suprised I'm still here after cussing out Karel that time. But this place is made up of real men (I include the gals in that statement too) who don't resolve their differences by banning a fellow member even if he was an "asshole" (speaking of me of course). Karel and me worked it out privately, I felt like a dog and life goes on. And Now I have a deeper respect for him, and this forum in general (similar experience with Ski and now we love each other again too.hehe). Of course I had to send Ed a little 105 proof "peace offering" but whatever it takes to "keep the love".Hahahahaaaa, Right Ski?....

Even the Aussie forum that Webs and some of the fellas visit will try to sensor you and keep you "in line"... They nailed Webs for posting your ($$MM$$) link over there.... Another Aussie story: Webs and me were posting on a general forum over there (having a ball too) and after one of my posts they locked down the freakin thread!!lol.... Just like that it's O.V.E.R! The administrator said it was time to "talk stocks", (imagine that) and said it was too contraversial (WHAT!? We were just gettin started too). We could have kept that stupid thread going indefinately over HERE at $$$MM$$'s.... Heck, Karel kept "Capt Matrix" GoJi spam on the thread for a long time before that was removed.... and good thing too because we'll all be rich some day when I bring that thing public.... There is NO better place that truely promotes free speech than $$$Mr. Market$$$'s forum.... RIGHT FELLAS!!!!

Thanks Ernie for having us all here dude, we love you man!.... Now!!!! how bout playing the freakin POTW sometime!!!!?lol

PS.... Hey Ernie!... Betcha they'll still take your money for that stinkin fishwrapper though, huh?

Lye...I have a feeling that it wouldn't take you very long to get banned over at IBD...LOL

[IIC]

I have started a new Mr Market thread on IBD titled, "Mr Market lives!!!" I encourage anyone who still has IBD access to make a post there, before it disappears.

Link...
http://www.investors.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=14217&sessionID=DE3C29B3FFD04CF1A20EB4E65B3683D2

Webs...I've decided to give you a "Conditional" membership in the IIC Great Trader's Club on the assumption that you will be banned very soon...Welcome!!!

[IIC]

Just another reason to love this forum. If Bruce was never banned, I doubt anyone will be (at least for having opposing market views, not including spammers).

Go MM!

-Dave

I happen to know Bruce...via the net anyway...He was featured in the old "Smart Investor" column in IBD a few years ago...What changed???

I actually made it through the initial interview for that col. myself...But I never got called for the 2nd interview...Darn...LOL

[IIC]

Hey...I went over there...How come my posts are still there???...I have not posted for 1 1/2 yrs.

Bunch of nimrods over there...But I will give them one thing...I met my trading partner via their forum in July 2003...So all is not lost...Doug

[Karel]

I say we flood them with posts!

We really don't want encouragements to flood other boards! Notifications like "something interesting is happening over there" are OK.

Regards,

Karel

[Websman]

We really don't want encouragements to flood other boards! Notifications like "something interesting is happening over there" are OK.

Regards,

Karel

I deleted it for you Karel. :)

[skiracer]

I've never posted on IBD's forum before.... Wonder how long it'll take me to get the boot.lol

Actually I'm suprised I'm still here after cussing out Karel that time. But this place is made up of real men (I include the gals in that statement too) who don't resolve their differences by banning a fellow member even if he was an "asshole" (speaking of me of course). Karel and me worked it out privately, I felt like a dog and life goes on. And Now I have a deeper respect for him, and this forum in general (similar experience with Ski and now we love each other again too.hehe). Of course I had to send Ed a little 105 proof "peace offering" but whatever it takes to "keep the love".Hahahahaaaa, Right Ski?....

Even the Aussie forum that Webs and some of the fellas visit will try to sensor you and keep you "in line"... They nailed Webs for posting your ($$MM$$) link over there.... Another Aussie story: Webs and me were posting on a general forum over there (having a ball too) and after one of my posts they locked down the freakin thread!!lol.... Just like that it's O.V.E.R! The administrator said it was time to "talk stocks", (imagine that) and said it was too contraversial (WHAT!? We were just gettin started too). We could have kept that stupid thread going indefinately over HERE at $$$MM$$'s.... Heck, Karel kept "Capt Matrix" GoJi spam on the thread for a long time before that was removed.... and good thing too because we'll all be rich some day when I bring that thing public.... There is NO better place that truely promotes free speech than $$$Mr. Market$$$'s forum.... RIGHT FELLAS!!!!

Thanks Ernie for having us all here dude, we love you man!.... Now!!!! how bout playing the freakin POTW sometime!!!!?lol

PS.... Hey Ernie!... Betcha they'll still take your money for that stinkin fishwrapper though, huh?


I love you Lye but Ed not that way.

[Lyehopper]

Hey...I went over there...How come my posts are still there???...I have not posted for 1 1/2 yrs.

Bunch of nimrods over there...But I will give them one thing...I met my trading partner via their forum in July 2003...So all is not lost...Doug

Doug, You already know that I'm kinda slow "catching on" sometimes and sometimes I'm just plain stupid.... But what exactly it a "trading partner" dude?... Do you mean "girlfriend"? did you go into business with this partner? Did you two pool your resources? If it's a girlfriend is "talking stocks" a part of foreplay? Now.... THAT would be my dream woman. Talk to her about stocks and beef cattle and she gets all "turned on" and just JUMPS your bones out of the blue!.... Is it kinda like that IIC?...lol

[Websman]

I have now been officially banned from the IBD forum. I guess they don't appreciate Vulcan humor. :)

Here's the message I receive when I try to log on...



Error Message
Your IBD Forums access privileges have been withdrawn for non-compliance with the IBD Forums Rules, Policies and Disclaimers (http://www.investors.com/idealbb/rules.asp?mode=rules). If you wish to address this decision with IBD Forums administrators, please submit your inquiry to forumsupport@investors.com (forumsupport@investors.com).

[billyjoe]

It's all over , the "Mr.Market Lives" thread is now deleted. Mr.Market and Webs and how many others no longer exist. The history books have been erased. It's like a Bob Newhart dream. Who have I been corresponding with these past 2+ years? Spike, are you real, New-Born, Doug ? Are you still there?

billyjoe

[Websman]

It's all over , the "Mr.Market Lives" thread is now deleted. Mr.Market and Webs and how many others no longer exist. The history books have been erased. It's like a Bob Newhart dream. Who have I been corresponding with these past 2+ years? Spike, are you real, New-Born, Doug ? Are you still there?

billyjoe

We don't exist? Could it be true???

I'm placing bets on who will be banned next. I'll put $100 on Lye.

[sisterwin2]

Doug, You already know that I'm kinda slow "catching on" sometimes and sometimes I'm just plain stupid.... But what exactly it a "trading partner" dude?... Do you mean "girlfriend"? did you go into business with this partner? Did you two pool your resources? If it's a girlfriend is "talking stocks" a part of foreplay? Now.... THAT would be my dream woman. Talk to her about stocks and beef cattle and she gets all "turned on" and just JUMPS your bones out of the blue!.... Is it kinda like that IIC?...lol

Did you call me?
Dena

[IIC]

Geez!!!...Everybody wants to be my trading partner now...Is it because I can still access IBD Forums???...LOL

BTW: Webs...You are now a "Charter Member"...Congrats

[df21084]

This board will become very well known within the stock picking community. Watch and see...

$$$Mr Market$$$ is huge!!!

I agree. Unfortunately though, the same whining dipshits over at IBD will come over here and try to turn these forums into a mini IBD forum.

And when they get here, they'll whine and cry and demand that anyone who disagrees with them, including $$$Mr Market$$$ himself, be banned. Then what will we do? :)

Good riddence to IBD. If I wanted my opinions supressed, I'd just go to work. (My boss never listens to anything I have to say.)

[Peter Hansen]

Doug, You already know that I'm kinda slow "catching on" sometimes and sometimes I'm just plain stupid.... But what exactly it a "trading partner" dude?... Do you mean "girlfriend"? did you go into business with this partner? Did you two pool your resources? If it's a girlfriend is "talking stocks" a part of foreplay? Now.... THAT would be my dream woman. Talk to her about stocks and beef cattle and she gets all "turned on" and just JUMPS your bones out of the blue!.... Is it kinda like that IIC?...lol

Lye,
Hey (NO Pun Intended) we are all looking for a trading partner with GOOD fundamentals and a FIGURE that is off the charts! My ideal 36DD 24 36 about 5'10" and the ability to rough ride and hang on . Please no 2 minute rides here......LOL!

[Lyehopper]

Lye,
Hey (NO Pun Intended) we are all looking for a trading partner with GOOD fundamentals and a FIGURE that is off the charts! My ideal 36DD 24 36 about 5'10" and the ability to rough ride and hang on . Please no 2 minute rides here......LOL!
Hey Pete.... When you refer to a "trading partner" with that ticker... it's not a "ride" it's a "rally". lol

[Websman]

Anyone got an IBD update?

[mrmarket]

Anyone got an IBD update?

Webs...did you lose your IBD license too? Hasn't anyone told you not to drink and post there?

[Websman]

Webs...did you lose your IBD license too? Hasn't anyone told you not to drink and post there?

I'm banned. I have to drink when I post.

[IIC]

Anyone got an IBD update?

Who the heck cares about an update???

I have had access to the IBD forums since Day One...I met my trading partner...(Who Lye apparently wants to meet...BUT NEVER WILL)...I met another guy who is a good trading buddy...But that's it...2 1/2 years...And that's all there is...Wait, I did learn how to import/export my lists from some guy who posted there.

But it seems to me that for people who spend $200 to $2000 a yr for their stuff...and for the lame brains who spend $179 to $6,995 for their worthless seminars...They would assign a moderator to control things...Heck, I offered my services at $ 250,000yr...Which I think is a small price to pay...But the phone ain't ringin'.

I even gave them Carte Blanche to post the IIC 100...NO CHARGE!!!

I really don't know what else I can do to give O'Neil a break???

Any suggestions???...IIC

[OmahaInvestor]

It only took me a couple of weeks to realize IBD was a waste of money...I could do much better on my own and with the help of free sites such as these I no longer needed IBD. I hadn't gotten around to cancelling it until I read about how they banned Mr. Market so I just called them and put an end to it. Not only out of respect for this forum but because they wasted my money on lame info. Thanks again Mr. Market for having a website I HAVE to visit daily.

[Websman]

Who the heck cares about an update???




I'm not paranoid. It's just that I know they're talking about us? lol

[Gatorman]

I'm not paranoid. It's just that I know they're talking about us? lol
Websman:
It's pretty much the status quo over there.
Pamela is still trying to find someone to blame for making a bone-head move a week ago, the usual suspects are trying to figure where they went wrong in riding DHB down, others are trying to find out why they followed CANSLIM and lost, Bruce is still giving good advice. I cannot find any mention of the "recently banished" although I have always had problems searching the forums.

[IIC]

Here's an update...although not the one you are looking for:

I'm pleased to announce that the CANSLIM Select Fund (CSSGX) made a whopping 0.39% this past quarter.

http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.web?c=cssgx

Geez... the S & P 500 was +1.6% over the same time... The DJIA +1.4%...Naz Comp +2.4%...Naz 100 2.7%...Heck, I get paid more than .39% for the idle cash I have sitting in my brokerage accounts.

Why doesn't somebody post about that at their Forum?

[Websman]

Websman:
It's pretty much the status quo over there.
Pamela is still trying to find someone to blame for making a bone-head move a week ago, the usual suspects are trying to figure where they went wrong in riding DHB down, others are trying to find out why they followed CANSLIM and lost, Bruce is still giving good advice. I cannot find any mention of the "recently banished" although I have always had problems searching the forums.

I must say that Bruce is amazing. I enjoy his service and will subscribe to it as long as he offers it.

[Websman]

Here's an update...although not the one you are looking for:

I'm pleased to announce that the CANSLIM Select Fund (CSSGX) made a whopping 0.39% this past quarter.

http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.web?c=cssgx

Geez... the S & P 500 was +1.6% over the same time... The DJIA +1.4%...Naz Comp +2.4%...Naz 100 2.7%...Heck, I get paid more than .39% for the idle cash I have sitting in my brokerage accounts.

Why doesn't somebody post about that at their Forum?

What? The IBD 100 didn't outpeform the market??? Lies! Blasphemy!!! Say it's not so Doug! Oh....the agony.

[billyjoe]

I think they want to ban Bruce but can't think of a good enough excuse. He goes out of his way to remain civil to forum members regardless of their attitude and he doesn't promote his site. My prediction : IBD will get rid of him within 6 months.

billyjoe

[billyjoe]

Here's an update...although not the one you are looking for:

I'm pleased to announce that the CANSLIM Select Fund (CSSGX) made a whopping 0.39% this past quarter.

http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.web?c=cssgx

Geez... the S & P 500 was +1.6% over the same time... The DJIA +1.4%...Naz Comp +2.4%...Naz 100 2.7%...Heck, I get paid more than .39% for the idle cash I have sitting in my brokerage accounts.

Why doesn't somebody post about that at their Forum?
Doug,
But what was the return a year before they were picked?That's how to calculate their returns. I think it's something like 1000%.

billyjoe

[Gatorman]

I must say that Bruce is amazing. I enjoy his service and will subscribe to it as long as he offers it.
I had noticed in some of your previous posts, you indicated that Poormans had played a role in developing ideas.
What portion of your favorable trades in 2005 do you attribute to information developed from his service?

[IIC]

Doug,
But what was the return a year before they were picked?That's how to calculate their returns. I think it's something like 1000%.

billyjoe

The CSSGX is not the IBD 100...It is a mutual fund that uses CANSLIM criteria to pick stocks. It started in late September 2005. Investors.com has their holdings listed but it is run by Duncan Hurst http://www.dhcm.com

My guess is that it will go the way of the old New USA fund...You cannot effectively trade CANSLIM with that much money...it just won't work. There are other funds that use CANSLIM criteria...some have been around for quite a while...but results have been less than stellar.

It's one thing to paper trade...like IBD does with their absurd claims in the paper regarding the 85-85's, New America's, IBD 100 results etc...It's another thing to do it in the real world.

At the Expo a guy working the IBD booth was telling people that the fund was up 13% since October...What he failed to mention was that just before that the fund had dropped almost 10%...at least according to Stockcharts.com...If I had known that at the time I would have had a field day...LOL...and now it is down almost 3% since the guy said that.

Oh well...who cares anyway???

[Websman]

I had noticed in some of your previous posts, you indicated that Poormans had played a role in developing ideas.
What portion of your favorable trades in 2005 do you attribute to information developed from his service?

I'd say about half of my trades come from Poormans model portfolio. I haven't seen the final figure yet, but last I checked, his model was up about 34%.

[IIC]

I'd say about half of my trades come from Poormans model portfolio. I haven't seen the final figure yet, but last I checked, his model was up about 34%.

He told me a couple of days ago that it was +35%...So sounds right...I think that is good for a relatively Intermediate Term portfolio last year...Beat my Intermediate and Long Term portfolios by 7%...I think he's a good guy( And I think he's honest...Right or Wrong) and I think for those that are looking for "fairly" safe stocks in an Intermediate time frame he offers quite a bit of insight and good ideas....Doug(IIC)

[Websman]

He told me a couple of days ago that it was +35%...So sounds right...I think that is good for a relatively Intermediate Term portfolio last year...Beat my Intermediate and Long Term portfolios by 7%...I think he's a good guy( And I think he's honest...Right or Wrong) and I think for those that are looking for "fairly" safe stocks in an Intermediate time frame he offers quite a bit of insight and good ideas....Doug(IIC)

Here's a clip from Poormans weekend update...

"The 8 mutual funds identified by Poormas last December were up 11.5% for 2005 and the model up 34.5%, but a little less than 2004 (36.3%)."


34.5% is still impressive.

[Gatorman]

Here's a clip from Poormans weekend update...

"The 8 mutual funds identified by Poormas last December were up 11.5% for 2005 and the model up 34.5%, but a little less than 2004 (36.3%)."


34.5% is still impressive.
That ain't shabby by any standard.

[mrmarket]

That ain't shabby by any standard.

It would great to see Poorman's posting over here. He could pimp his site all he wanted.

[IIC]

It would great to see Poorman's posting over here. He could pimp his site all he wanted.

Send him an invite Ernie...His email addy is on his homepage at http://Poormans.com It says: bruce@poormans.com

Maybe you could mention that many here like his stuff and that he should start his own thread.

I could tell him...But it would probably carry more weight coming from Mr. Market himself.

Just a thought...Happy New Year...Doug(IIC)

PS...Thanks again for a nice forum...Even though Lye always gives me a hard time...LOL ;)

[Websman]

It would be nice to see Poorman be able to post his stuff without having to worry about getting banned.

[Websman]

I laughed hard when I saw this...

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/800/1129/1124481518/oascentral-s.realmedia.com/RealMedia/ads/Creatives/Investors/IBD_HOUSE_336x280_2005/Icom_300_canslim.gif (http://oascentral.investors.com/RealMedia/ads/click_lx.ads/investors/marketsdesk/986270486/Middle1/Investors/IBD_HOUSE_336x280_2005/Icom_300_canslim.gif/34346366396461633433376434386630?)

[mrmarket]

I laughed hard when I saw this...

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/800/1129/1124481518/oascentral-s.realmedia.com/RealMedia/ads/Creatives/Investors/IBD_HOUSE_336x280_2005/Icom_300_canslim.gif (http://oascentral.investors.com/RealMedia/ads/click_lx.ads/investors/marketsdesk/986270486/Middle1/Investors/IBD_HOUSE_336x280_2005/Icom_300_canslim.gif/34346366396461633433376434386630?)




I think IBD uses the same system that I would use when I pick my college football games. Watch the game then make my bet.

[Lyehopper]

It would great to see Poorman's posting over here. He could pimp his site all he wanted.
Hey Ernie! Did you invite Bruce over yet? He would be a REALLY nice aquisition dude.... If you are sucessfull in recruiting him?.... Then you are the HUUUUGEST stock-picker-recruiter on the net!!!! plus that might draw another thousand or so members.

btw.... my retainer payment for Jan. is late dude... It's due by the third right? Webs & Ski?... did you fellas get your Jan payments from $$MM$$ yet?.... hmmmmm.... OH crap! he's recruiting new members and starting threads for them and holding my payment back!!!? WHAT ARE YOU TRYIN to SAY ERNIE!!!! HUH??? Duuuude.... say it ain't soooooo!!!!

[IIC]

I think IBD uses the same system that I would use when I pick my college football games. Watch the game then make my bet.

LOL Ernie...Ya know, I gave up CANSLIM when I had 77 consecutive 7% losses in a row...Doug

[Websman]

Hey Ernie! Did you invite Bruce over yet? He would be a REALLY nice aquisition dude....

I invited him last night in an email, but he told me that he had too much going on already. If only IBD would ban him... lol

[mrmarket]

It would be nice if you guys would click on these ads once in a while so me , Richard and Karel could get paid.

I'm sure they have some interesting stuff to read.

[Websman]

It would be nice if you guys would click on these ads once in a while so me , Richard and Karel could get paid.

I'm sure they have some interesting stuff to read.

I'll make a promise to myself to click at least a couple per day.

[Websman]

I'll make a promise to myself to click at least a couple per day.

Actually, I just clicked on 6 of them and they did make for some interesting reading. Hopefully, I just helped finance your gambling habit Mr market.

[Lyehopper]

It would be nice if you guys would click on these ads once in a while so me , Richard and Karel could get paid.

I'm sure they have some interesting stuff to read.
Make a deal with you Ernie.... I'll click every ad on this site every day of the week.... if....... and ooooonly IF..... you play the POTW every week.... I'll also punish every player who finishes "red" by making them click an ad for every negative percentage point they earn in the POTW.... btw here are the "current" rules dude in case you don't already know them.lol


http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9231/potw06rules18fh.png (http://imageshack.us)

[IIC]

It would be nice if you guys would click on these ads once in a while so me , Richard and Karel could get paid.

I'm sure they have some interesting stuff to read.

You don't seem to get what's her name on those ads anymore....I used to click on 'em because she was my type...Anyway, I know how it works...But Google seems to be screwing up...I look at my account and EPS has sure dropped off...But my wife calls me today at work to tell me I got a nice fat check from Google today...A real surprise...a pleasant one at that...Do they use GAAP???...LOL

[IIC]

Lye...you certainly seem to love "Rules"

[Lyehopper]

Lye...you certainly seem to love "Rules"
not just "rules" IIC.... rules..... AND regulations!

[mrmarket]

Lye..I'll post on your thread when football season ends. Oh the pain..the pain!

[mrmarket]

By the way...if there's anyone still alive on IBD, can someone run a search on "mrmarket" and see if there is any more discussion on my demise?

[IIC]

By the way...if there's anyone still alive on IBD, can someone run a search on "mrmarket" and see if there is any more discussion on my demise?

OK...I put in mrmarket in the search box...here's what came up:

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[mrmarket]

OK...I put in mrmarket in the search box...here's what came up:

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Part man part monkey...definitely

[IIC]

Well...you are not completely wiped out...on the advanced search you come up all over the place...but I would have to go through 1,000's of posts to see what they say

[Lyehopper]

Lye..I'll post on your thread when football season ends. Oh the pain..the pain!
You don't have to post anything clever Ernie, just pick a freakin stock each week, Sunday night will do.... BTW, it ain't my thread dude, it's BillyJoe's POTW. I just keep score and he pays me to recruit players.... I get $10 if I can get you to play, plus I got a side bet with Webs for $100.... I'll split it with you.

You should follow the thread big guy, it's rather popular. Has the 3rd largest hit numbers of ALL the threads. And If my calculations are correct it will overtake IIC's by late Spring.... Spike's thread?... a different story.

[New-born baby]

By the way...if there's anyone still alive on IBD, can someone run a search on "mrmarket" and see if there is any more discussion on my demise?

Ernie,
I say its too bad you are not on the IBD forums anymore. I see over on "How I Found MM" that 41.9% of us (including me) landed here via reading your posts. Now the well has gone dry. Kinda like an oil company running out of reserves . . . .

Why don't you recruit a friend of yours who still wastes money . . . er, subscribes to IBD to put a link to this site under his posts? Try to find one who doesn't raise the ire of the editors, will ya? :D And yes, I'd keep the winning streak alive. It helps newbies to stop in and take a gander. Once they see the posts, they'll stay.

[mrmarket]

Ernie,
I say its too bad you are not on the IBD forums anymore. I see over on "How I Found MM" that 41.9% of us (including me) landed here via reading your posts. Now the well has gone dry. Kinda like an oil company running out of reserves . . . .

Why don't you recruit a friend of yours who still wastes money . . . er, subscribes to IBD to put a link to this site under his posts? Try to find one who doesn't raise the ire of the editors, will ya? :D And yes, I'd keep the winning streak alive. It helps newbies to stop in and take a gander. Once they see the posts, they'll stay.

The streak is good marketing for sure.

One year I had over 100 picks...I'd like to go back to those days. I like having at least 2 picks a month to keep the turnover. I'm pretty sure some of my stuff will go green by next month.

[New-born baby]

One year I had over 100 picks...I'd like to go back to those days. I like having at least 2 picks a month to keep the turnover.

One thing is for sure: it isn't you; it's this choppy market.

Would you consider doing this: make a special pick. You'd do this by running your system, posting the top five, and then let Spike and the TAers post an entry/exit and option strategy. Don't enter until the stock until the TAers do their work. I'd buy that pick in a flash! I think the entire board would, too.
Please give it some consideration. You could call it a "Mr. Market Special" or some such name. If you did a little promotion, this forum would have 3000 members quickly. Again, find a friend who will fly your flag on IBD. Lots of leads there.

[mrmarket]

One thing is for sure: it isn't you; it's this choppy market.

Would you consider doing this: make a special pick. You'd do this by running your system, posting the top five, and then let Spike and the TAers post an entry/exit and option strategy. Don't enter until the stock until the TAers do their work. I'd buy that pick in a flash! I think the entire board would, too.
Please give it some consideration. You could call it a "Mr. Market Special" or some such name. If you did a little promotion, this forum would have 3000 members quickly. Again, find a friend who will fly your flag on IBD. Lots of leads there.


Actually I don't like "fishing" for members. I would rather have curious folks like yourself come over and look around and then decide they like what they see. This way, I have a very solid core membership who will build up the site.

Slow and steady wins the race.

[New-born baby]

Actually I don't like "fishing" for members. I would rather have curious folks like yourself come over and look around and then decide they like what they see. This way, I have a very solid core membership who will build up the site.

Slow and steady wins the race.
How about the other idea? A MM "Special" that fully mixes FA and TA?

[Lyehopper]

One thing is for sure: it isn't you; it's this choppy market.

Would you consider doing this: make a special pick. You'd do this by running your system, posting the top five, and then let Spike and the TAers post an entry/exit and option strategy. Don't enter until the stock until the TAers do their work. I'd buy that pick in a flash! I think the entire board would, too.
Please give it some consideration. You could call it a "Mr. Market Special" or some such name. If you did a little promotion, this forum would have 3000 members quickly. Again, find a friend who will fly your flag on IBD. Lots of leads there.
Now that's a good idea..... Let the members be involved with $$MM$$ in a seperate portfolio. This could be HUUUUGE!!! He makes the picks and the entry and exit is decided by a select "TA panel" chosen by $$MM$$ himself. Cooooool....

[Lyehopper]

Lye..I'll post on your thread when football season ends. Oh the pain..the pain!
DUDE!!!! I just scanned your bowl game losses. Now I see why you're in pain!...lol .... Lye be slow sometimes.

[Websman]

Ernie,

Why don't you recruit a friend of yours who still wastes money . . . er, subscribes to IBD to put a link to this site under his posts?

I tried posting Mr Market links at IBD and I got banned. lol

[New-born baby]

I tried posting Mr Market links at IBD and I got banned. lol

But not for that. Surely not. :D

[Websman]

But not for that. Surely not. :D

Yes, it was for that. They told me that I violated the rules about self promotion (Promoting Mr Markets site).

[New-born baby]

Yes, it was for that. They told me that I violated the rules about self promotion (Promoting Mr Markets site).
Wow, Webs. All you had to do is show them your biceps, and that should have settled the issue. Or your ears. I guess those FA experts at IBD may be so specialized that they don't know a thing about anatomy.

[Websman]

I wonder if they miss us at IBD?

[IIC]

I wonder if they miss us at IBD?

I doubt it...But if I were you...I'd let it go...Bunch of mindless cultists over there...Wish I could figure out a way to get all those jokers to My new..."Upcoming"...REVISED... Mr. Breakout site...I'm gonna offer an IRONCLAD guarantee...Buy/Sell my pix when I tell you...If you don't make a profit...I give you your subscription money back that month...Who offers that???...You can't lose...Doug(IIC)

[Lyehopper]

I doubt it...But if I were you...I'd let it go...Bunch of mindless cultists over there...Wish I could figure out a way to get all those jokers to My new..."Upcoming"...REVISED... Mr. Breakout site...I'm gonna offer an IRONCLAD guarantee...Buy/Sell my pix when I tell you...If you don't make a profit...I give you your subscription money back that month...Who offers that???...You can't lose...Doug(IIC)

Are you gonna give you good friends at $$MM$$ forum a free 6 month trial subscription IIC?

[IIC]

Are you gonna give you good friends at $$MM$$ forum a free 6 month trial subscription IIC?

Sure...no problem...but you'll get it 20 minute delayed...IIC

[Shadow]

...Bunch of mindless cultists over there...Wish I could figure out a way to get all those jokers to My new..."Upcoming"...REVISED... Mr. Breakout site...Doug(IIC)


OUCH! If I wasn't so "mindless" I'd probably be bleeding
to death right now.

Give me a break..... I'm learning....takes a while to learn
to recognize good TA...FA.... and BS!

[IIC]

OUCH! If I wasn't so "mindless" I'd probably be bleeding
to death right now.

Give me a break..... I'm learning....takes a while to learn
to recognize good TA...FA.... and BS!

Don't take it personally...I'll explain why I said that on this thread over the weekend...Doug(IIC)

[Lyehopper]

OUCH! If I wasn't so "mindless" I'd probably be bleeding
to death right now.

Give me a break..... I'm learning....takes a while to learn
to recognize good TA...FA.... and BS!

Hey Shadow.... IIC was banned too.lol

He's not refering to IBD forum members who have the ability to discover different methods other than CANSLIM. He's refering to the diehard IBD Bill O'Niel followers who Read IBD as if it were their bible or something. I know some fellas like that.... and IIC's reference to "cultists" is somewhat fitting. I'm an IBD subscriber and have been for about 15 years. It has it's benifits imo... But I've also seen alot of IBD 100 stocks get faded heavily as the IBD "sheep" enter at the top. A guy on a yahoo board once illuded to the IBDSSSS (IBD secret short sellers society) lol.... His theory was that since IBD appealed to the retail
(many times inexperienced) investor that there were many who stalked IBD 100 stocks as short candidates. Seems reasonable to me as I've watched many IBD 100 stocks correct HARD and screw up a perfect cup and handle chart for no apparent reason other than the fact that they were featured in IBD. The stocks are still good just wait till IBD ain't pumping them to enter I guess.

So Shadow DUDE!!!! Doug (IIC) dosen't have a beef with you. You're now becoming a $$MM$$ cultist!....hehehehe And the great thing about that is.... very few (if any) members here follow him lockstep either. We argue with Ernie all the time about his entry points and he could care less. We're just here to have a little fun and learn from each other.... there's no better stock forum on the web dude....

[billyjoe]

Doug,
I'll talk about Mr.Breakout over there. When will it be up and running? I've only got 2 or 3 days left and I'm outa there.

billyjoe

[Websman]

Doug,
I'll talk about Mr.Breakout over there. When will it be up and running? I've only got 2 or 3 days left and I'm outa there.

billyjoe

You're willing to get banned from IBD???

[IIC]

Hey Shadow.... IIC was banned too.lol

He's not refering to IBD forum members who have the ability to discover different methods other than CANSLIM. He's refering to the diehard IBD Bill O'Niel followers who Read IBD as if it were their bible or something. I know some fellas like that.... and IIC's reference to "cultists" is somewhat fitting. I'm an IBD subscriber and have been for about 15 years. It has it's benifits imo... But I've also seen alot of IBD 100 stocks get faded heavily as the IBD "sheep" enter at the top. A guy on a yahoo board once illuded to the IBDSSSS (IBD secret short sellers society) lol.... His theory was that since IBD appealed to the retail
(many times inexperienced) investor that there were many who stalked IBD 100 stocks as short candidates. Seems reasonable to me as I've watched many IBD 100 stocks correct HARD and screw up a perfect cup and handle chart for no apparent reason other than the fact that they were featured in IBD. The stocks are still good just wait till IBD ain't pumping them to enter I guess.

So Shadow DUDE!!!! Doug (IIC) dosen't have a beef with you. You're now becoming a $$MM$$ cultist!....hehehehe And the great thing about that is.... very few (if any) members here follow him lockstep either. We argue with Ernie all the time about his entry points and he could care less. We're just here to have a little fun and learn from each other.... there's no better stock forum on the web dude....

I wasn't banned...so stop spreading rumours Lye...I'm sorta on a "read Only" basis ...IIC

[Lyehopper]

I wasn't banned...so stop spreading rumours Lye...I'm sorta on a "read Only" basis ...IIC
Oh Sorry.... tehehe..... Read only huh? Sounds like banned to me dude! I'll bet Webs and Ernie can call them, appologize, pledge allegance to Bill O'Niel.... and become "read only" members too.LOL

[Websman]

Oh Sorry.... tehehe..... Read only huh? Sounds like banned to me dude! I'll bet Webs and Ernie can call them, appologize, pledge allegance to Bill O'Niel.... and become "read only" members too.LOL

IBD hates Vulcans...

[Shadow]

Doug,
I didn't take it too personally, I just couldn't resist
the urge to razz a bit. Trust me....it's usually pretty
easy to know when I do take it personally. :-)
I would like to hear the story when you have
the time.


Now Lye,

About that dude comment............ ROFL


Since you guys have wounded me you can help me out.
Go to the "education and market wisdom" forum and help
me out. I posted a ? but so far no help. Believe it or not
it's a legitimate question and I'm not "off my meds".

Thanks
Shadow

[Lyehopper]

Since you guys have wounded me you can help me out.
Go to the "education and market wisdom" forum and help
me out. I posted a ? but so far no help. Believe it or not
it's a legitimate question and I'm not "off my meds".

Never knew that forum existed....

[billyjoe]

I just asked IBD why they can't spend some of that big canslim $$ and get quotes that aren't 20 minutes old. Now they're having technical problems and I can't access anything except for the forums. I have a feeling that when I sign off I'll never get on again.

billyjoe

[IIC]

I just asked IBD why they can't spend some of that big canslim $$ and get quotes that aren't 20 minutes old. Now they're having technical problems and I can't access anything except for the forums. I have a feeling that when I sign off I'll never get on again.

billyjoe

They always have technical problems when they offer free access to the public...which they are doing this week.

They have streaming Real-Time at DailyGraphs for stock charts(eSignal data)...but Screens, Stock Lists and Groups are not R/T until you click an individual stock...Which I would be willing to pay quite a bit for(Groups). So I have to use somebody else's groups (MarketGauge's)...Doug(IIC)

[IIC]

Doug,
I didn't take it too personally, I just couldn't resist
the urge to razz a bit. Trust me....it's usually pretty
easy to know when I do take it personally. :-)
I would like to hear the story when you have
the time.


Now Lye,

About that dude comment............ ROFL


Since you guys have wounded me you can help me out.
Go to the "education and market wisdom" forum and help
me out. I posted a ? but so far no help. Believe it or not
it's a legitimate question and I'm not "off my meds".

Thanks
Shadow

This is the way I see it...First of all, I don't have a problem with the basic Canslim theory...although I don't pay any attention to the EPS ranking. I prefer current EPS and projections...I could care less what a co. did 3 yrs ago...I want to know what it will do tomorrow. I also believe in following market direction...but not the way IBD tries to determine it.

But that's not the point. The problem I have is the company itself...They have the paper...then Dailygraphs...OK...I subscribe to both...But then they have all these little add-ons...E-Tables, Smart whatever...Overpriced seminars...Heck, by the time Joe and Jane Canslim pay for all this stuff...they don't have any money left to invest. ;) IBD nickels and dimes you to death. Of course, it is their business and they can run it the way they want...But I don't have to buy it.

Anyway...when their forum first started I read a lot of the posts...I don't know how many times I would read about people who were sold on exact pivot points, distribution days, EPS rankings and all this other BS. They thought that if they followed CS to a "T" that they would all of a sudden be great investors. How many of them are still active in the Forum???...Bet not many...Have you ever heard Bill O'Neil speak? He talks like CS is the only way you can ever make it...C'mon!!! There's a heckuva lot more to being a good investor than Canslim.

Then these classes...$179, $795, $2,995, $6,995...Heck, I'll teach you more than you ever wanted to know about Canslim for less than that. I was a pretty strict Canslimmer for over 20 years up until 2000 when I realized it wasn't up to date especially as far as being adaptable to volatility.

I have no problem with someone who uses basic CS principles as a guide...But anyone who follows it to the letter will only do well by luck IMO. It is not the Holy Grail that IBD presents...In fact, they probably know that...Look what they've done...Big Cap features, Under $10 lists now...Wait...That's not Canslim!!! Of course, they just do that to try to sell more product...which I have no problem with...But isn't that a bit confusing to the New Canslim student???

And as far as their Forum...Why don't they pay to have a moderator to guide things along? I've publically offered to accept the job for $250,000 yr...But the phone ain't ringin'. heck, I moderated the old Yahoo CanSlimStock Picks group for years with over 1,600 members...so I have experience...Although, to be honest...I'm the reason that the group fell apart...People didn't want to hear about all my Canslim bashing...I know that.

Then I have a problem paying all this money to IBD and they have a bunch of employees who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about...I've posted about the last 3 Trader's Expo's I went to...The latest one in December...They have these people working their booth that don't know the first thing about the products...You can rest assured that nobody who was around their booth bought anything when I was around...After hearing the nosensical anwers to my questions these these people were probably wondering to themselves..."What the heck is this all about"??? But I was just havin' a little fun. At the Chicago Expo they gave us a free book just to get rid of us...LOL

Well, I'm rambling...But as Mr. Market says..."There's more than one way to skin a cat"...And if you read what some of the members around here have to offer...You'll soon come to realize that...Best and welcome to the forum...Doug(IIC)

[Shadow]

Well, I'm rambling...But as Mr. Market says..."There's more than one way to skin a cat"...And if you read what some of the members around here have to offer...You'll soon come to realize that...Best and welcome to the forum...Doug(IIC)

Thanks Doug for taking the time to explain.

I have discovered a lot of what you mentioned so I
guess you could say I'm not a strick Canslim follower
myself. I am still working on a trading style and my
education. Nothing like some serious losses to prompt
a person to learn all they can! I vow to never be that
ignorant again and I'm taking charge of $ myself!

Any recommendation on education / books?

I have read many books; a few are:
_Stan Weinstien
_all of WON's
_Toni Turner x 2
_ David Nassar
_ Stav

and actually a few more that I can't recall right at the moment.

The bookstore shelves are full but it's very hard to tell which are
the better ones. Any recommendations?

Thanks
Shadow

[IIC]

Thanks Doug for taking the time to explain.

I have discovered a lot of what you mentioned so I
guess you could say I'm not a strick Canslim follower
myself. I am still working on a trading style and my
education. Nothing like some serious losses to prompt
a person to learn all they can! I vow to never be that
ignorant again and I'm taking charge of $ myself!

Any recommendation on education / books?

I have read many books; a few are:
_Stan Weinstien
_all of WON's
_Toni Turner x 2
_ David Nassar
_ Stav

and actually a few more that I can't recall right at the moment.

The bookstore shelves are full but it's very hard to tell which are
the better ones. Any recommendations?

Thanks
Shadow

To be honest I have not read that many stock books...I've read 4 of WONS...When How to... came out, I read it 7 times within a year. I read Toni's Beginner's Guide to Day Trading Online.

Also, and this book is pretty basic...But I liked it...here is an excerpt from my Mr. Breakout site (currently on hiatus since late Sept.) that I posted in October 2004:

There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the Cup w/ Handle pattern and pivot points. I don't really know whose description is correct or if there really is a correct answer. The earliest reference I can find to this pattern is in a book called How Charts Can Help You In The Stock Market, By William Jiler, 1962. However, he describes it as a Saucer w/ Platform...but it is the same pattern.

Here's a few sites that offer C w/ H descriptions.
http://www.chartpattern.com/cup_handle.html (http://www.chartpattern.com/cup_handle.html)
http://www.haikulabs.com/mh.htm (http://www.haikulabs.com/mh.htm)
http://baresearch.com/education/technical_analysis/chart_patterns/continuation/cup_handle.php (http://baresearch.com/education/technical_analysis/chart_patterns/continuation/cup_handle.php)


O'Neil did not discover the Cup w/ Handle pattern as many believe...He just renamed it...A few years ago I tried to get everyone to use the S w/ P term...But it never really took off...I also ran a poll at a couple of other forums to rename Pivot Point...The winner was Flash Point with Action Point a close second...But again, guess I don't carry that much weight to change the world of investing...LOL...Doug(IIC)

[DSteckler]

Shadow, when you're ready to go beyond CANSLIM (which no longer works, IMO), head over to TradingMarkets.com and check out some of their books. The entire site is self-serving but the books are very informative. Dave Landry's books are excellent.

[IIC]

And another thing I don't like...How come I pay these guys 1,500 bux a year and every time I want to go to a different page I have to see this "Become a more successful investor in a single day" advertisement???...Then I have to click "Take me to the requested page" every time. Extremely annoying. I wouldn't mind this at a free site...but this is ludicrous...Doug

[IIC]

Here's an interesting read...it is for day trading but it is free. It is called "Trading The 10 O'clock Bulls"...it is 72 pages...1.334mb.

I will try to attach it here...but the attachment might not work...if it doesn't work then you can sign up for it here:

http://scans.marketgauge.com/GetOReBook_step1.asp

Oop's...tried to attach it but the file is too large...Doug(IIC)

[Shadow]

Thanks Doug and Dave!

I appreciate the tips. This is the kind of help I need very much.
I appreciate all the stock tips on this site but I also want to
"learn to fish". I'll check all this info out.


Shadow, when you're ready to go beyond CANSLIM (which no longer works, IMO), head over to TradingMarkets.com and check out some of their books. The entire site is self-serving but the books are very informative. Dave Landry's books are excellent.

I guess I must be beyond CANSLIM already. I have not purchased
a single stock that met the CS criteria. I'll check out the books!

Keep the ideas and tips coming!
Shadow

[IIC]

No problem...but just remember...make changes slowly...You can take ideas you find from others and see if any of them might fit what you are trying to do...test them out...but develop your own style that you are comfortable with. I'm constantly reading other people's thoughts to see if they offer any ideas I might be able to use...But NEVER EVER try to copy someone...It never works...At least it never worked for me.

For example...I trade different styles depending on the $$$ amount and the goal on that particular trade. Some people trade the exact same way all the time...I personally know of no one who wants to day trade some of the ways I do. That doesn't mean there isn't anyone...It just means that I don't know them. Sometimes I think to myself..."Why not just trade news"? I almost always make money on news plays...Most of them last less than 5 minutes...But I've never had the guts to throw BIG bux at news...At least not yet...Best, Doug(IIC)

[Runner]

One of the best books I’ve read is called “Trade Your Way To Financial Freedom”, by Van K. Tharp. This book is a study book and not an easy read. It does not cover a bunch of fancy set-ups but explains one of the most important aspects of trading. In fact Tharp even mentioned that the set-up is 10% of the trade. He will explain how to manage your positions using several techniques. Many will shy away from this topic because I guess they feel it just isn’t important. Money management is by far the most important aspect in trading as far as I’m concerned.