Mr Market, member profits for 2005, poll

[Websman]

I decided to create a poll, to see how huge the average Mr Market member is.

This poll will be completely anonymous and will give us all an idea of how we are doing, compared to everyone else. I have placed a range of percentages and have even placed a column for those who may have took a loss.

How huge are you? How huge am I? I will post my return on Friday.

[mrmarket]

Since I love you guys, I'll tell you. In all of my trading accounts (not my buy and die stuff, real estate, company stock, commodity futures, fine art, sports betting, etc.)...just the stuff in my online trading account, most of which is MM stuff, I am up 20.34% for the year.

It looks like the S&P 500 was up only 5.6%. This wasn't a good year for me by MM standards but it's now the 15th year in a row that I've beaten the market.

Thanks for asking Webs. Now if I posted this on the IBD board, they would all ask me for my tax returns, brokerage statements, etc.

[skiracer]

Are you and Webs still subscribers over there. What do you see there that's appealing other than farming for new people to bring over here. I guess that's cheap for the couple hundred a year.

[Karel]

Up 13.2%, a bit below the 15% annualized average over the 4.5 year I have been investing in the US markets. My EURO return is 28.5%; may the dollar grow stronger and stronger!

And thank spreadsheets for formulas to calculate an annualized return when you have added some money during the year!

[ParkTwain]

Jumped the gun by a few days. As of 12/23/05 I had a 99.0% gain for 2005, so I voted using that figure. Hope to get nudged back over 100% by end of this week. (For commentary, see my own $$MM$$ thread from earlier this month.)

[Websman]

So far I'm very happy with the gains I've calculated and will post them on Friday. From what I'm seeing, so far, the average Mr Market investor is much huger than the market.


For those of you who have taken a loss for the year, I would encourage you to not give up and don't be a bit ashamed. It's better to try and lose than to not try and have to wonder what could have happened. This is a great board to learn from. With enough drive and determination, you can succeed. I took quite a few hard hits this year myself, but I managed to make a profit through pure stubborness and a strong desire to win. I like to think of my losses and mistakes as learning experiences. I would like to see everyone on this board make a profit next year. :)

[IIC]

Well...I thought I could vote 2x...Guess not...I voted 150%+...But that was my Daytrading account...My Intermediate/Long Term Accounts was in the 15-30% range...Overall dollars...because I don't put HUGE $$$ in DT'ing is slightly less than 40%...IIC

[Gary611]

Well, as an IBD user,yes I admit it, I have always kept my investing head over water. (as you can see by my rosy-colored glasses above!) But I must say, since joining $$MM$$ & being part of this great bunch of people from around the world, my ability has changed from being a good guesser, (picking from ibd lists) to a chart-watching, analizin', Moe-mentum hunting, Mr Mkt lovin stooge!
My regular brokerage acct is up almost 15% this year, mostly with picks from pre-$MM$. But my IRA acct, which has a combo of ibd longs, $MM$ winners & 1 clunker, is up a WHOOPING 39.75%!!!!
$MM$'s momentum plays in finding that 15% or so on upward moving winners is a great way to be a winner on Wall St. My take on it is that I will cut any losses after a certain downturn occurs. Which doesn't happen very often. (My lips to God's ears!)
Thanks everyone for all of your knowledge that you've been willing to share, I hope some of my picks over on the Portfolio of the Week board have opened some eyes, I actually own some of the ones I post there.
Happy New Year to all,
Gary from L.I.

[Websman]

Well...I thought I could vote 2x...Guess not...I voted 150%+...But that was my Daytrading account...My Intermediate/Long Term Accounts was in the 15-30% range...Overall dollars...because I don't put HUGE $$$ in DT'ing is slightly less than 40%...IIC

I'm going to average both of my trading accounts for my total.

150% is very impressive, and 15-30% ain't bad either.

[Gatorman]

Might gain a small bit before the year is over: but am up approximately 19.75% for the year. The impact of Mr Market was very positive indeed.
Looking for a better market for all of us in 2006.
Have been trading stocks for 25 years but have learned more, expanded my knowledge and analyzed things a lot more the past 2 years than all the prior.
I thank this forum for the gain in knowledge and good fellowship.

[IIC]

We all have different goals...we all have different financial circumstances...Examples:

1) 75 years old...$800,000...want 7% safe to get $56,000 yr

2) 25 yrs old...$10,000...willing to take risks to build that up to $3,000,000 in 40 yrs.

3) 50 yrs old...$500,000...want $2,000,000 in 12 yrs

Three different circumstances...Three different investing philosophies...So in reality...the poll % doesn't reflect how people attained or didn't attain their objectives...Doug(IIC)

[sisterwin2]

I hit the 15-30% marker.... was thinking last night and that no really right. to tell you the truth I never broke it up in yrs. so I realy dont know.

[Websman]

I just entered my gains into the poll. I didn't meet my goal of 100%, but I still had a nice return.

I gained 31.5% for 2005.
If I were to include my contributions, my portfolio has seen an actual gain of 55.5% this year.

Considering that I'm only in my second year of trading, I feel very fortunate to have made a profit for both years.

[Websman]

I just entered my gains into the poll. I didn't meet my goal of 100%, but I still had a nice return.

I gained 31.5% for 2005.
If I were to include my contributions, my portfolio has seen an actual gain of 55.5% this year.



I just had a profound thought.

This makes me...




$$$HUGE$$$!!!

[Websman]

Thanks for asking Webs. Now if I posted this on the IBD board, they would all ask me for my tax returns, brokerage statements, etc.


IBD sucks. You have created something much better.

[jiesen]

I just had a profound thought.

This makes me...




$$$HUGE$$$!!!


indeed it does, webs. sure trounces my record for the year.

[skiracer]

I was looking at the different bars an it's hard to comprehend anyone who is actively trading, not long term investing, that is actually up 100% or more. The over 150% bar is longer than the 100% bar an a couple of the other higher % bars. I would like to see who is up that much because to me that would be a phenomenal track record. Step up and be acknowledged please.

[Websman]

I was looking at the different bars an it's hard to comprehend anyone who is actively trading, not long term investing, that is actually up 100% or more. The over 150% bar is longer than the 100% bar an a couple of the other higher % bars. I would like to see who is up that much because to me that would be a phenomenal track record. Step up and be acknowledged please.

I believe that would be IIC with his daytrading account.

[skiracer]

I believe that would be IIC with his daytrading account.

Is Doug up 150% or more in his daytrading account? I haven't seen him posting much lately on the daytrades. Phenomenal record.

[Websman]

Well...I thought I could vote 2x...Guess not...I voted 150%+...But that was my Daytrading account...My Intermediate/Long Term Accounts was in the 15-30% range...Overall dollars...because I don't put HUGE $$$ in DT'ing is slightly less than 40%...IIC

Here's Dougs post.

[IIC]

Is Doug up 150% or more in his daytrading account? I haven't seen him posting much lately on the daytrades. Phenomenal record.

I can't post every day trade...well, guess I could but...True, my DT's have greatly dropped off due to time since September...DT's were +198% this year and I did not use my margin...My other accounts were up 28%...Since I don't put nearly as many $$$ up on DT's...And WITS dragged us down because I made less than 20% on it...My overall was only +36%.

Next year my goal is much higher...I will bail on WITS and I will focus my $$$ WHERE the $$$ are...Doug(IIC)

[IIC]

I can't post every day trade...well, guess I could but...True, my DT's have greatly dropped off due to time since September...DT's were +198% this year and I did not use my margin...My other accounts were up 28%...Since I don't put nearly as many $$$ up on DT's...And WITS dragged us down because I made less than 20% on it...My overall was only +36%.

Next year my goal is much higher...I will bail on WITS and I will focus my $$$ WHERE the $$$ are...Doug(IIC)

Ski...to clarify a little more...I have no illusions that I would do nearly as well Daytrading with my whole portfolio...otherwise I'd quit my job tomorrow and DT full time. There is no way I could have gotten some of the sell prices I got trading some thinly traded stocks with a large amount of money...as it is it was not unusual for me to get 3 different prices on a market sell.

Also, my day trade dollar amounts invested were all over the board. I was fortunate enough to hit some of the larger % gainers with larger $$$ invested...Maybe it was luck and maybe it was not???

On my longer term accounts the %'s can also be deceiving...For example I bot the old GMAI...now ESCL...back in 2004 for about $17. I sold this year for over $20...about an 18% gain. But, for 2005 if I take the price on 12/31/04 which was in the 12's I ended up with about a 65% gain on it this year. Two other examples of stocks I bot in 2004 and sold in 2005 for losses from my initial buy were RELV and LTON...But if I take my sell price minus the close on 12/31/04 I had gains on them in 2005.

It's true that I have not made nearly as many trades since September...But I did back up the truck on SIFY as posted on 12/19 and I made 17% on APFC on 12/20. It doesn't take very many of those to get your percentage up.

I had a discussion with another moderator of a club I belong to back in Novemeber. Their opinion was that there really was no use in posting my day trades in a Forum setting...More suited to chat rooms. The reason being is that it would be rare that people would actually see the post in real time and I could already be out before most even saw it. So it really is no help to post them unless someone wanted to go back and look at a chart to try and figure out why I bot it. And the chart might not even be the reason I bot it...maybe it was news. And I really don't have the time to explain the reasons for 500 trades.

In 2006 I plan to do much better...Happy New Year, Doug(IIC)

[Websman]

I'm sure Spike is too shy to have posted his gain in this poll. He's kind of secretive sometimes. lol

I'm going to guess and say he had a gain of 2,500%. How about it Spike? Is my guess accurate?

[Websman]

Ok guys, we've only had 28 brave members post their returns for 2005 in this poll. Remember, this is totally anonymous. Nobody will know if you actually lost money or if your a financial genius.

So far, the average Mr Market member had an impressive return. a few took a loss, but I'm sure if they hang around that will change.

Post your results today!

[Websman]

Ok guys, we've only had 28 brave members post their returns for 2005 in this poll. Remember, this is totally anonymous. Nobody will know if you actually lost money or if your a financial genius.

So far, the average Mr Market member had an impressive return. a few took a loss, but I'm sure if they hang around that will change.

Post your results today!

[B.J]

29.5%. Didn't quite make 30% - DOH!! I had a downright lousy December.

But, I think my active trading is over with. Just takes too much time for me. I'm going to a buy-and-hold diversified strategy much like the $$$HUGE ONE$$$ employs.

But, I'll be in every now and then. Here's to the $$$HUGE SUCCESS$$$ of this forum!

[Websman]

29.5%. Didn't quite make 30% - DOH!! I had a downright lousy December.

But, I think my active trading is over with. Just takes too much time for me. I'm going to a buy-and-hold diversified strategy much like the $$$HUGE ONE$$$ employs.

But, I'll be in every now and then. Here's to the $$$HUGE SUCCESS$$$ of this forum!

That's one thing I like about both Poormans and Mr Market. You can trade like them, and still have time to get wasted on Saturday night.

[IIC]

That's one thing I like about both Poormans and Mr Market. You can trade like them, and still have time to get wasted on Saturday night.

Must be nice Webs...Saturday nights are a great time to review 500-600 charts IMO...Get a Life :)

[oscargo]

Up Approx. 24% Deal in mostly energy Stocks. xto eca chk cnq swn ccj xec pcz cop apa. Left too much money on the side. May diversify a little this year. Last 3 years have been Huge in the enegy markets.

[B.J]

That's one thing I like about both Poormans and Mr Market. You can trade like them, and still have time to get wasted on Saturday night.

You read me like a book Webs :D

[Websman]

Last chance to enter your 2005 gain or loss in the poll. It looks like the majority here gained 15-30%.

I wonder if the Canslimmers did that well?

[gerihearne]

Since I love you guys, I'll tell you. In all of my trading accounts (not my buy and die stuff, real estate, company stock, commodity futures, fine art, sports betting, etc.)...just the stuff in my online trading account, most of which is MM stuff, I am up 20.34% for the year.

It looks like the S&P 500 was up only 5.6%. This wasn't a good year for me by MM standards but it's now the 15th year in a row that I've beaten the market.

Thanks for asking Webs. Now if I posted this on the IBD board, they would all ask me for my tax returns, brokerage statements, etc.

Found this mr. market term "buy and die" ... was wondering what members hold in their buy and die portfolios. Since I work for NBC, I keep ge stock, I also have excelon (commonwealth ed is here in chicago). Reason I'm asking: WSJ report says by the end of the year, we might be seeing the big companies outperform the small and medium cap market.

Anybody have any thoughts on a) do u think the big companies will be stronger by end of year and for the next few years ... and
b) any thoughts on good "buy and die" stocks?

Regards,
Geri

[diogenes]

Reason I'm asking: WSJ report says by the end of the year, we might be seeing the big companies outperform the small and medium cap market.
Regards,
Geri

I think that the media says a similar thing every year.

[gerihearne]

I think that the media says a similar thing every year.

interesting ... i think most of them owned by large companies now ...
NOT that i'm sayin' .. i'm just sayin' ...